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Post by Hawkeye on Dec 13, 2007 15:29:04 GMT -5
In talking to a group ofIndiana hunters I brought up the question of how many Deer taken during all seasons are not checked in.
The group agreed that a large nunber of Indiana Deer taken are not checked in.
A C.O. Who spoke off the record said he would estimate 0ne or two out of ten,maybe even higher in some areas of the state.
This would not include hunters using Wife, Family members or other persons Deer Tags
This rate he stated increased when the one Buck rule came in.
What would be your estimate?
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Post by jackc99 on Dec 13, 2007 15:32:58 GMT -5
My estimate like most others would be wrong.
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Post by old3arrows on Dec 13, 2007 15:45:52 GMT -5
My guess would be high 20% to 30%. Another point, I had a theoretical conversation with a CO about tagging an antlered buck this year. I asked if I found a dead buck on my property that had died of EHD or any other cause be it natural or unnatural would he issue me a permit for it. He said no that I would have to burn my buck tag on it. I said no way I didn't kill the deer, so why should I have to burn my tag on it especially if it is on my property and all I want is the horns because the meat is not fit to eat. He still tells me no, so I say fine, I'll have my girlfriend that doesn't hunt go in to town, buy a tag, and tag it. He says that would be illegal. What makes the difference? Neither one of us killed it, it just wound up dead on my property. I think he was just being a pain over EHD this year.
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Post by Sasquatch on Dec 13, 2007 16:12:59 GMT -5
Probably at least 30%. In addition to good old-fashioned forms of poaching, you also have a lot of guys who shoot a buck, then they don't quit hunting. They buy their wife a tag, then if another buck comes along, they shoot it and tag it with mommy's tag. I sell a few tags to wives and kids that I suspect will not hunt, but I can't prove it, so I have to sell them. Similarly, I've been told by a C.O. that there are a lot of bucks taken by archery hunters who simply don't check them in because of the OBR. They want to keep hunting during gun season. Of course, rules are still rules and it's wrong, but it still happens. Deer harvest numbers are good as a rough indication of the population, but that's about it.
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Post by hunter7x on Dec 13, 2007 16:26:03 GMT -5
My estimate like most others would be wrong.  ditto |
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Post by huxbux on Dec 13, 2007 17:17:23 GMT -5
IMO, Hendersons estimate is about right, at least in the area I hunt. In addition to his comments, I'm amazed by the number of so-called hunters who are totally ignorant of the regs. I, and the people I hunt with, follow them to the letter. My grandson had a chip shot at a buck during the youth season and couldn't shoot. I shot a spike by mistake this season and I'm done buck hunting for the year. Knowing that a lot of people are abusing their hunting privileges burns me up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2007 17:32:38 GMT -5
IT is correct that the OBR makes poaching increase. Ky. has the data to back that up. Before the state went to a complete OBR for both gun and archery hunting, through selected roadblocks that targeted just hunters, the illegal take rate was determined to be 18%.
With in two years of the OBR being ineffect, the illegal take rate was already over 35%. This means that 35% of the folks stopped by the roadblocks had some form of violation concerning hunting.
Police your neighbors and friends, the CO's can't do it without your help.
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Post by tenring on Dec 13, 2007 18:00:12 GMT -5
Many years ago, I asked an off the record question to a top DNR guy. " Does the illegal kill equal or excede the legal kill here in Indiana?" His answer was "YES."
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Post by hoosier on Dec 13, 2007 18:25:59 GMT -5
Almost sounds like MORE bucks are being taken with the OBR in place! The OBR seems to have driven otherwise honest folks into illegal activities!! I KNEW the OBR was evil.
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 13, 2007 19:27:39 GMT -5
If your talking about total number of deer killed and NOT checked in, I would say all of these estimates are WAY low.
I think there are more antlerless deer not checked than there are bucks, with the high cost of deer processing and the make shift transport tags, once the people get their kill home their pretty much safe from getting caught.
Good subject
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Post by beehunter on Dec 13, 2007 20:13:50 GMT -5
I hear alot of guys talking about shooting more that one buck.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 13, 2007 20:18:26 GMT -5
What about all the anterless deer taken in "1" or "2" counties and tagged as coming from "8" counties?
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Post by parkerbow on Dec 13, 2007 21:12:52 GMT -5
The liberal seasons, bag limits and OBR cater to the dishonest hunters. Each year I hear of numerous bucks checked in under peoples names that do not hunt. And I know for a fact people with private land don't hassle driving across the county to check in a deer. They just hang em' up in the barn. It is hard telling how many illegal deer are shot
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Post by raporter on Dec 13, 2007 21:54:35 GMT -5
My guess would be high 20% to 30%. Another point, I had a theoretical conversation with a CO about tagging an antlered buck this year. I asked if I found a dead buck on my property that had died of EHD or any other cause be it natural or unnatural would he issue me a permit for it. He said no that I would have to burn my buck tag on it. I said no way I didn't kill the deer, so why should I have to burn my tag on it especially if it is on my property and all I want is the horns because the meat is not fit to eat. He still tells me no, so I say fine, I'll have my girlfriend that doesn't hunt go in to town, buy a tag, and tag it. He says that would be illegal. What makes the difference? Neither one of us killed it, it just wound up dead on my property. I think he was just being a pain over EHD this year. Don't you just love paying this jerks salary. |
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Post by solohunter on Dec 13, 2007 22:14:28 GMT -5
Lower than we may think....
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 13, 2007 23:58:55 GMT -5
I have to agree the number is higher than some might think and I think the DNR really doesnt care who kills the deer as long as they have a legal tag on it. h.h.
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Post by freedomhunter on Dec 14, 2007 3:50:01 GMT -5
Not as bad as it used to be in my area. Very area dependent. The CO's really cracked down on the poaching the last few years. But some areas are still as bad as ever, mostly remote areas with no real enforcement (skeery places). I'm not going to turn a guy in for not checking an antlerless when DNR's check-in process causes a hardship or possible spoilage, the state brings that on themselves. I encourage everyone to check-in their deer and follow the rules. I would guess as much as 25% total don't get checked in.
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Post by solohunter on Dec 14, 2007 5:31:40 GMT -5
Not as bad as it used to be in my area. Very area dependent. The CO's really cracked down on the poaching the last few years. But some areas are still as bad as ever, mostly remote areas with no real enforcement (skeery places). I'm not going to turn a guy in for not checking an antlerless when DNR's check-in process causes a hardship or possible spoilage, the state brings that on themselves. I encourage everyone to check-in their deer and follow the rules. I would guess as much as 25% total don't get checked in. Then you are as guilty as they are..... |
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Post by larryhagmansliver on Dec 14, 2007 7:15:31 GMT -5
My guess would be high 20% to 30%. Another point, I had a theoretical conversation with a CO about tagging an antlered buck this year. I asked if I found a dead buck on my property that had died of EHD or any other cause be it natural or unnatural would he issue me a permit for it. He said no that I would have to burn my buck tag on it. I said no way I didn't kill the deer, so why should I have to burn my tag on it especially if it is on my property and all I want is the horns because the meat is not fit to eat. He still tells me no, so I say fine, I'll have my girlfriend that doesn't hunt go in to town, buy a tag, and tag it. He says that would be illegal. What makes the difference? Neither one of us killed it, it just wound up dead on my property. I think he was just being a pain over EHD this year. This should fall under the catagory of finding a turtle shell or an interesting rock that you want to take home. We shouldn't have to pay to take this kind of nature back to the house. I get why they say what they do, but be reasonable. Sorry, I know this is off topic |
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Post by parrothead on Dec 14, 2007 7:44:53 GMT -5
I always think about this during turkey season too. I hear boom and then another boom from the same spot. Pretty easy to hide a turkey for these bums.
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ditto
