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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 3, 2009 10:14:27 GMT -5
We are trying to save the remainder of my brother-in-law's garden from the masked bandits that have discovered some way to climb over the ten foot wire fencing and the posts topped by various anti-climbing devices that looked promising but didn't work.
Some were taken out by lethal means, but we don't want to kill needlessly and have begun live-trapping now to reduce the killing if practical and legal.
Have already transported one to a remote forestry area well away from any residences and released it, but before continuing long with that practice, we wanted to see if we were in violation of any laws.
Also would appreciate any other remedies that have been found successful. Electric fencing doesn't appear to be an option, unless we ran a very long extension cord from my nephew's home almost a quarter mile away, or used solar charging (looking into that, but at first peek, looks pretty pricy).
And I'm curious as to the edibility of summer taken 'coons. I asume the hides would be worthless at this time of year and probably illegal as well.
Any ideas? Thanks.
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Post by kevin1 on Aug 3, 2009 10:34:21 GMT -5
There are solar chargers available for fencing, most are large enough for fencing a garden. If I were releasing live trapped coons I'd release them into a swiftly flowing river(If it were legal). ;D
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Post by trapperdave on Aug 3, 2009 10:41:28 GMT -5
to be in compliance with the law....
captured nuisance wildlife must be A. released at sight of capture B. released in same county as captured WITH LANDOWNER CONSENT, this includes public properties. You must have consent from the property manager. C. Euthanized
and the local Conservation Officer must be notified of your actions within 48 hrs.
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Post by trapperdave on Aug 3, 2009 10:44:36 GMT -5
uh yeah, hides are worthless and illegal to have this time of year.
best bet is to euthanize and contact CO. Its no biggie, just a phone call to keep ya out of trouble. And you wont be spreading any coon diseases like distemper, not to mention the stresses incurred by the raccoon being relocated. ( most if not all good denning sights are occupied already. relocated raccoons that were tagged and studied showed high mortalities and covered several miles before establishing new homes. Those that were removed from homes showed a very high propensity to find shelter in another dwelling)
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Post by Decatur on Aug 3, 2009 11:47:14 GMT -5
Coon is good any time of year, just make sure you boil it for a while to get a lot of the bad tasting fat out of it. Throw it in the oven or crock pot, and bbq when tender. Good stuff!
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Post by hornharvester on Aug 3, 2009 13:13:31 GMT -5
solar fence charger is the way to go. h.h.
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Post by danf on Aug 3, 2009 13:16:39 GMT -5
Russ, if you want to meet me somewhere, I've got the makings of an electric fence. I'd rather not move everything with me to NH. I've got several fiberglass posts, a ball of wire (nylon with wire woven into it, and a couple of fence chargers- one 12v operated and one that plugs into 120v AC power (not 100% sure that one works). Let me know. I'm not sure how soon I'd be able to meet you anywhere, but I'm hopeful in the next few days/weeks I'll need to bug out of the house for a showing or two.
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Post by tickman1961 on Aug 3, 2009 14:43:23 GMT -5
Kill them without mercy - throw the trap in water...call CO within 48 hrs...
Dig a small angled hole with bananas as bait, use a 1.5 victor and catch one leaving him there till morning...you will be suprised how many this will stop from coming to the garden area...
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 3, 2009 18:09:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the responses, guys.
Trapperdave, those were the sort of regulations I wondered about. Sort of expected something about that silly, but still had to chuckle at the first one.....release at the point of capture?? Sort of misses the point of capturing him in the first place, doesn't it?
I'll check with the property manager at MMSF tomorrow. The second one we released today seemed agitated while he was in trap being carried out of the garden and placed in the pickup, but when we released him in the forestry, he was pretty casual about getting away, just hurrying a little for the first few feet, then strolling away gradually, stopping to sniff at the plants and giving us an occasional glance as he wandered away towards the creek.
It was only about half grown, so didn't have the fear of humans that an adult usually has developed.
I suppose the youngster would have faced about the same competition for finding a place to den in the area where we trapped it as it would in the new area. I do see where that would be a factor for an adult transferred from an area where it already had a den site established. I do see the other factors being involved here, and may go back to the lethal methods, as suggested.
Just was reluctant to take the life of a critter without some legitimate attempt to find a non-lethal alternative. Not completely opposed to doing so, just not my first choice among the options. And it would be easier if they weren't so darn cute.
But the B-I-L worked very hard to put in this garden and did everything that could be expected of him in protecting it, and the critters are cleaning him out.
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Post by featherduster on Aug 4, 2009 16:37:29 GMT -5
Place a 5 gallon bucket on its side near the garden,put some dry dog in the bucket and set 2 leg hold traps right in front.Don't worry about hiding the traps, stake them down good.Racoons might know how to side step a leg trap going into the bucket but they always forget when they go to back out. Load your 22 and dig a big hole.Don't bother calling anybody because NOBODY CARES ABOUT DEAD RACOONS.
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Post by deerdude on Aug 4, 2009 18:01:45 GMT -5
ive been told if you dont take the little nasty creatures at least 15-20 miles from there den area that they will find there way back home . i tried the catch and release thing a couple years back ,then i was told if i was caught releasing them i would be paying a nice hefty fine.so my advise to you is this, trap,shoot shut up and dig.worked for me.
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Post by hornzilla on Aug 4, 2009 18:42:23 GMT -5
I dont know if I would use the NOBODY CARES ABOUT DEAD RACOONS idea. There is state laws covering RACOONS.
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Post by duff on Aug 4, 2009 18:50:07 GMT -5
Nobody cares about them until you get caught... I'd be carefull about bragging about certain things on the internet. Cases have been initiated based on postings on internet message boards.
As Hank Jr. says "Don't give em a reason, to come gunning for you." Chances are slim but one you should really think about before spewing it on a public forum.
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Post by hornzilla on Aug 4, 2009 19:04:33 GMT -5
Very well said duff, that was what I was thinking.
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 5, 2009 17:06:33 GMT -5
Called the forestry management today and received permission from the assistant manager to release them. His only request was that I do so in an area remote from campgrounds or developed areas, which made sense. Transported last night's catch soon after.
I can understand the reasons cited for not releasing them, but have to disagree with the reasoning for the most part.
The ones we have caught so far are the young and stupid, and they would face the same stresses of relocation, finding new den sites, and about the same likelihood of spreading any disease they have whether I trap and relocate them ten or twelve miles or not.
So far, their stress levels appear to be almost nil. When we release them, they take a few hurried steps them almost immediately slow to a walk and stop and sniff their surroundings, then waddle off into cover. Tougher to transport my cat to the vet.
We'll hopefully be going with the electric fencing option soon. I do see that as the best long-term solution, and it sounds a whole lot easier than digging all those holes.
If a plump adult does end up in the trap, it probably won't get relocated any further than my freezer.
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Post by jrbhunter on Aug 5, 2009 18:17:54 GMT -5
Perhaps off topic... but I just had a thought. I wonder if there would be anything wrong with vaccinating a coon before you released it? I removed 21 coons from a 4-H barn several summers ago, took them all to one large remote property perfect for coon (Water/Corn/Cottonwood). I have a cabinet full of veterinary medicine: wonder if I could've prevented the spread of some worms/parvo/rabies/distemper? You'd think 21 new coons to a population would have quite an effect... weather they be healthy or sick. PS: I just brought in 4 more laundry baskets full of sweet corn that needs shucked. If you ever want to stop those coons for good.... get you one of these. He's hell on any furry object under 50 pounds-
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 6, 2009 6:44:57 GMT -5
Yea, but it may be cheaper to feed the coons!
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Post by schall53 on Aug 6, 2009 8:02:11 GMT -5
jrb, I bet the farmer was thrilled with you dumping your 21 problem coon in his corn field.
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Post by tickman1961 on Aug 6, 2009 8:37:40 GMT -5
In my mind releasing the vermin will only further the decline of game and non game species in the given area, including songbirds and other egg laying species like reptiles and amphibians. The populations of fur bearers have never been higher in my 40 plus years of life.
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Post by featherduster on Aug 6, 2009 14:04:21 GMT -5
TICK I agree with you 100%. I give racoons the same relocation plan as I do stray cats. 1 less egg eater.
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