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Post by firstwd on Nov 9, 2007 15:22:40 GMT -5
I put a .45 ML youth model in my daughters hands simply because I didnot like the "fryers" we got from the .410. 700ftlbs of kenetic energy, no smoke, no kick (30 to 50 grains of pyrodex depending on which kid has it) I limit them to 30 yard shots and one deer has already been taken this year with it. The doe went a total of 18 inches, straight down. Plus the kids are set up for two seasons. They love it.
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Post by WhoDey78 on Nov 9, 2007 17:44:57 GMT -5
Good idea to get youth hunters into deer hunting, but overall I don't think they have enough power or slug weight to be a good deer gun.
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Post by hoosieroutdoorsman on Nov 10, 2007 8:26:32 GMT -5
Well the 2 gentlemen that use the 410`s are brothers that have hunted together for over 60 years. No they don`t try to take the deer out past 40 yards, the powder amounts in the 410 won`t do it you guys are correct. But non the less it will take a deer with proper shot placement and if you can hunt them like you do with a bow and keep them in closer than 40 yards you will not have a problem. For a kid starting out a 410 is a great started gun, but the powder limitations do make a big difference for long range hunting, but here in Indiana 20-30 yard shots are the norm and those that try to take animals out in the 80-100 yard ranges are doing so because that is their choice, thats why most bowhunters around here aren`t shooting 80-90 lbs bows and taking 60-80 yard shots,, it isn`t really needed. The hunters ideal of more powder more lead equals a better kill does hold true, specially out west where long shots are the norm, but a well placed close range shot will do the same job. Even if it doesn`t exit the slug will still bounce around inside the body and tear up enough to make the kill. Just MHO not trying to change anyones minds or reteach the basis of hunting, just throwing in my 2 cents from 2 guys that have over 60 years each hunting and the 410 is their weapon of choice and every year they take 1 buck and 1 doe each.They used to use 10 ga. and 12 ga. and settled on the 410, they hunted their families properties out of state where it was legal to do so with a 410, now they are glad they can stay home and hunt.
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Post by M4Madness on Nov 10, 2007 21:29:24 GMT -5
My wife took 3 bucks during the last 3 seasons with a .410 shotgun. The first was a 1 1 /2 year old 3-pointer, and the last two were 2 1/2 year old 8-pointers. All shots were under 30 yards.
That said, we decided with the legalization of PCR's that there were now much better options out there. She will be hunting this season with a Ruger .44 Deerfield Carbine topped with a red dot scope. The recoil is about the same as a .410 due to the semi-auto action absorbing some of the energy, and she gets the added benefit of increased range and kinetic energy. Not to mention that ammo is a heck of a lot cheaper.
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Post by savagehead on Nov 11, 2007 7:28:47 GMT -5
A semi-auto 20 ga. with rifled barrel and sims pad is the ultimate youth deer slayer.Much less recoil than a single shot.
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Post by gillgrabber on Nov 11, 2007 9:49:54 GMT -5
Will it kill a deer? Absolutely! Will it drop it as fast as a 20 or 12 gauge slug? Probably not. If it was all I had would I use it? Yes. You'd have to wait for the right shot. It all boils down to shot placement.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 11, 2007 17:55:48 GMT -5
I have a custom 136gr .410 slug up to 2000fps and reasonable accuracy out of my cylinder bore Win 9410.
I'm also working on a 195, but so far the accuracy is abysimal... though the velocity is easier to achieve for some reason... and that makes me uncomfortable.
I like my loading data to make sense.
BUT, I hope to be comfortable enough with the load to use it in the Minnesota Shotgun Zone next year. Anything's better than carrying around that mossberg 12...
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Post by mbogo on Nov 11, 2007 18:03:24 GMT -5
A .410 will kill deer and if the distance is close and the shot is perfect you will recover them, but why take the risk when there are better options available, even for the recoil sensitive? Were it me, I would start a recoil sensitive person out with a single shot PCR in .357 mag, less recoil and more power than a .410.
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