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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 12, 2008 16:59:56 GMT -5
Here's what happened - and what is going to continue to happen. The Urban Centers have learned how to vote. From now on Yuppies and Homiez get to decide how Rural folks live...   (note how popular Obama was in 99% of Indiana... we lost to Gary & Indy...) 52% of America, mostly in Big Cities wishes to control the lives of rural "bitter clingers" and both sides recognise it... but the Electoral System is so screwed up in this country that those Urban users will always win - so long as they can "get out the vote" by hook or by crook. And it will stay that way until we wise up (rise up?) and stop feeding them...  ;D |
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Nov 12, 2008 17:15:01 GMT -5
[quote author=bpotratz board=politics thread=22814 post=185744 time=1226527196 And it will stay that way until we wise up (rise up?) and stop feeding them... ;D[/quote] Expand on this please. "Them"? People on Welfare? Aren't there people on welfare in rural areas also? |
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 12, 2008 18:06:17 GMT -5
No, the Cities.
We grow their food. Why do they have the right to tell rural folks how to live when they haven't the faintest clue what things are necessary or appropriate for Rural lifestyles?
Stupid Urban Rules for emmissions raise fuel costs for Farmers.
Stupid Urban Bunny Huggers don't understand depredation, or any other wildlife issues.
Stupid Urban Criminals/Politicians write Gun Laws that negatively impact Rural folks.
Stupid Urban Socalists are so dependent on their govt/infrastructure that they can't understand Rural Independence & self sufficiency.
etc.
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Nov 12, 2008 18:11:06 GMT -5
OI exactly why "we" hunters, conservatives, whatever need to engage these people and not create barriers.
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Post by Decatur on Nov 12, 2008 18:25:24 GMT -5
That map sickens me.
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Post by drgreyhound on Nov 12, 2008 18:29:30 GMT -5
Wow--a pretty informative and disconcerting map. OI, you make a very good point as usual, but I'm wondering what you mean by "feed" out of curiosity--do you mean it literally (rural farmers growing food for those in urban areas), figuratively ("convert" enough people after they see our point of view and therefore stop "feeding" the urban left with voters), or both? To expand on what TagTeam said--what do people think is the best method of engaging leftist urban "socialist"-leaning voters? I'm curious because I would not describe most of my liberal friends this way, but one entire wing of my family is exactly this way--even though we "make nice" and never discuss politics to each others' faces (when we do talk--we're not very close), I don't really know how to identify with them. Is that the key--do we need to identify their point of view and what motivates them before we can begin to argue against them?
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Post by huxbux on Nov 12, 2008 18:54:29 GMT -5
If we would just quit sending them food, I bet they'd get the message relatively quickly.
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Nov 12, 2008 19:34:34 GMT -5
I think the GOP is underplaying the Anti-Bush vote. Were Bush's approval rating was in the 30 percentile or higher McCain did well; where it was below that mark McCain did poorly.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 12, 2008 21:21:09 GMT -5
But the anti bush vote doesn't account for why the voters didn't repudiate Congress... which had only HALF of Bush's approval rating...
As for "feed", another poster on another forum put it well:
"... when are people in the country going to wake up and realize they have all the land, all the food, all the water, all the missile silos, and most of the guns? When they do, it will be a rude awakening for someone. "
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Post by jackryan on Nov 13, 2008 1:35:44 GMT -5
Check out the locations on some of these newly "rural" folks, lol.
Now that's funny guys.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 13, 2008 4:27:26 GMT -5
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Post by danf on Nov 13, 2008 7:50:25 GMT -5
For contrast, does anyone have a similar map from '04 and '00?
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Post by Old Ironsights on Nov 13, 2008 10:23:13 GMT -5
Check out the locations on some of these newly "rural" folks, lol. Now that's funny guys. What is your point Jack? Are you saying that because a MINORITY of Urban Area (MSA) like Dallas and SanAntonio went for McCain it invalidates the premise? Hardly. THere are always statistical outliers, but the simple fact remains, the Urban MSAs voted in larger numbers and more consistently for Obama than any Rural area could possibly keep up with. Now or Ever. |
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Post by drgreyhound on Nov 13, 2008 10:42:32 GMT -5
Check out the locations on some of these newly "rural" folks, lol. Now that's funny guys. What is your point Jack? Are you saying that because a MINORITY of Urban Area (MSA) like Dallas and SanAntonio went for McCain it invalidates the premise? Hardly. THere are always statistical outliers, but the simple fact remains, the Urban MSAs voted in larger numbers and more consistently for Obama than any Rural area could possibly keep up with. Now or Ever. I know this is largely irrelevant and I hate to split hairs here, but Bexar County (San Antonio) actually went for Obama according to this map. That surprised me, having grown up across the "county line" in a San Antonio "suburb" in Comal County and knowing how conservative many San Antonio folks are (were? Geez, how things have changed). I know San Antonio has really changed in the past 10 years though to be more like other urban sprawling areas, which I don't think is good. I absolutely agree with OI's observations of this trend, and I would also add that maybe the Mexican border areas are becoming more "liberal" than usual due to increased illegal immigration/citizens living around there knowing more illegals and possibly becoming sympathetic to them/etc.--but I don't think this effect holds a candle to what is happening in urban areas. Does anyone suppose or suspect that some people living in rural areas with conservative views just aren't voting, and this may have also been a part of what happened/is happening? |
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Post by indybassin on Nov 18, 2008 13:46:53 GMT -5
I believe many at the head of the the GOP need to go. They are too old and out of touch. Bush has been anything but a true conservative and McCain was even worse.
We don't appeal to urban voters by talking about Obama's ties to Aires and Rev Wright, you do all that at the beginning of a campaign to raise doubt about him.
You finish a campaign by appealing to them, showing how their values and world-view is similar to ours... mostly through Christian values. We know this country was founded by Christians who were opened minded enough to understand their are many different religious views.
We didn't appeal to those in the middle or the right. McCain ran on a platform of "being a mavrick" (ie liberal) and it cost us. I believe the GOP was so worried about targeting Independants that they forgot about us. Yes, the left had more turnout, but the right had more stay home.
You hear people talking about "rebuilding the GOP", it starts with acting like conservatives again and not nominating someone who isn't a true conservative. We appeal to voter on the left that are Christians and have simliar values to us.
Perfect example: Ninety some pecent of blacks voted for Obama, yet it was their vote in California that upheld the gay marriage ban, proving that they went for the black candidate but stuck with the Christian values.
Next time around if we sent a true conservative and appeal to Christian liberals and independants, we have a shot to win.
Then again, I never understood how people of Southern Baptist, Catholic and Jewish faith vote democrat...
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Post by Decatur on Nov 18, 2008 13:56:13 GMT -5
Then again, I never understood how people of Southern Baptist, Catholic and Jewish faith vote democrat... Because a lot of people wrongfully put politics before religion! That's why this country is on a downhill slide! |
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Post by drgreyhound on Nov 20, 2008 12:05:03 GMT -5
This Catholic has always been right-wing and voted Republican! (I will admit I used to be moderate in high school--horror of horrors!--but then I "wised up" before I turned 18 and was able to vote.)
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Post by huntnprayn on Nov 20, 2008 13:33:00 GMT -5
I noticed that St. Joe Co. is red......not sure I would trust this map because of that.
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Post by kevin1 on Nov 24, 2008 12:18:30 GMT -5
Counties don't elect a POTUS, electors do, and they're allotted by population. Rural areas have a fraction of the population that the cities do, and cities are populated by two things, liberals and pigeons. These days the two are not mutally exclusive of each other.  |
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