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Post by Chucker on Sept 6, 2008 13:13:33 GMT -5
I read that there are as many deer poached in Indiana as are taken by legal means?I find that hard to believe?How many arrest are there in Indiana in a year for poaching deer?In my county theres 2 to 3 a year I read about in the local paper. My questions are: How many people are arrested in Indiana very year for deer poaching? What do you think the answer is?How would we find out?
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Post by duff on Sept 6, 2008 13:33:45 GMT -5
Not sure how you would find out. My guess would be to start with the DNR head quarters or centralized point. They might already keep those records someplace??? It would be good information to track I would think. We just have to remember there is lots of good info to track and only so many employees. Not sure what type of system the tickets/arrest get logged into but a good database would be able to extract those number in seconds.
As far as how many deer get poached or how many arrest are made due to poached deer I have not the slightest clue. I hear of a few cases each year where they bust a poacher or poaching ring.
Poachers are not only the guys spotlighting and wacking 100s of deer, but the guy who buys his wife a tag to fill I'd say there are more of those then we think
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Post by Decatur on Sept 6, 2008 13:45:41 GMT -5
I read that there are as many deer poached in Indiana as are taken by legal means? Where did you read that? Does Nostradomus have a magazine now? If someone knew that to be fact, then there should be thousands of arrests each year. Sounds like pure BS to me!
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Post by Hawkeye on Sept 6, 2008 18:24:27 GMT -5
I did call the DNR office 2 years ago and the only answer I could get was to few arrest for all violations.
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Post by Decatur on Sept 6, 2008 18:33:12 GMT -5
I did call the DNR office 2 years ago and the only answer I could get was to few arrest for all violations. I don't doubt that one bit! If 2 deer are poached, and only 1 arrest made, that's too few in my opinion!
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Post by indianafishhook on Sept 6, 2008 19:34:34 GMT -5
I read that there are as many deer poached in Indiana as are taken by legal means?I find that hard to believe?How many arrest are there in Indiana in a year for poaching deer?In my county theres 2 to 3 a year I read about in the local paper. My questions are: How many people are arrested in Indiana very year for deer poaching? What do you think the answer is?How would we find out? I have no idea how many poachers are arrested per year. But, I would bet a very very very very low percentage of poachers actually get arrested. I would estimate that the # of deer being poached is easily in the 1000's and maybe 10,000's. I would also be willing to bet a high percentage of those arrested are done so through T.I.P. Lets face it, CO's have a tough job and are severly under-staffed. To make an arrest by walking through a random woods and hoping to find a guy loading a deer in a pick-up without a tag is virtually impossible. I know some states do this, and I'm all for it, especially those who process their own deer, is to call in your harvest. Heck, some people have to drive about an hour to get their deer checked-in. Not, that I condone this, but, I can see why there are alot of deer that don't get checked in.
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Post by indianafishhook on Sept 6, 2008 19:38:19 GMT -5
Poachers are not only the guys spotlighting and wacking 100s of deer, but the guy who buys his wife a tag to fill I'd say there are more of those then we think[/quote][/b]
That is "poaching" in my opinion.
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Post by drs on Sept 7, 2008 6:58:49 GMT -5
ALSO, those individuals that take two or more Bucks when the limit is one Buck per year. Then we have those who don't check in their Deer Harvest plus there is lots of "Party" hunting. THIS IS POACHING!
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Post by danf on Sept 7, 2008 8:15:12 GMT -5
I've long said the actual harvest numbers will increase slightly when a tele-check system is in place. There are a LOT of deer that are otherwise legally taken that simply are not checked in.
Last I remember, the DNR was going to try to have a tele-check system in place in the next couple of years. But I could be dreaming things too......
Back to the original question, while I believe the poaching numbers are high, I in no way believe that 50% of the reported harvest is taken illegally each year.....
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Post by huxbux on Sept 7, 2008 8:20:51 GMT -5
Poachers are not only the guys spotlighting and wacking 100s of deer, but the guy who buys his wife a tag to fill I'd say there are more of those then we think I've been told by more than one person who would know, that this is the main reason for the huge increase in female "hunters" Where did you read that? Does Nostradomus have a magazine now? ;D ;D ;D
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Post by treetop on Sept 7, 2008 8:34:03 GMT -5
I am sure there are a lot of deer taken on there wifes or kids tags that is border line poaching if you ask me but at least they bought the tag. The only up side to this at least the DNR know how many deer are taken so they can set limits. This is also how a lot of guys get around the one buck rule.
How many are spot lighted who knows there are not near enough CO to ever catch the guys doing it that way.
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Post by steiny on Sept 7, 2008 9:00:55 GMT -5
As far as hard core jack lighters shooting deer, I don't feel there is all that much of that that goes on, but there are a lot of deerthat get poached. The law is the law, and any breach in the law is "poaching", plain and simple. I think there are a whole lot of deer that get poached via "bending the rules"; shooting one for the wife, not checking one in, claiming to hunt as a landowner w/ out license then shooting one on ground you don't own, shooting one on ground where you don't have permission, etc., etc.
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Post by duff on Sept 7, 2008 9:11:02 GMT -5
As far as hard core jack lighters shooting deer, I don't feel there is all that much of that that goes on, but there are a lot of deerthat get poached. The law is the law, and any breach in the law is "poaching", plain and simple. I think there are a whole lot of deer that get poached via "bending the rules"; shooting one for the wife, not checking one in, claiming to hunt as a landowner w/ out license then shooting one on ground you don't own, shooting one on ground where you don't have permission, etc., etc. Exactly. It would be impossible to quantify how many are poached.
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Post by beehunter on Sept 7, 2008 9:12:48 GMT -5
As far as hard core jack lighters shooting deer, I don't feel there is all that much of that that goes on, but there are a lot of deerthat get poached. The law is the law, and any breach in the law is "poaching", plain and simple. I think there are a whole lot of deer that get poached via "bending the rules"; shooting one for the wife, not checking one in, claiming to hunt as a landowner w/ out license then shooting one on ground you don't own, shooting one on ground where you don't have permission, etc., etc. I agree, the above examples are widespread in my area and I can't stand it. Landowner tags are only an excuse to poach in my opinion and yes my family owns ground and I only shoot one buck.
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Post by trapperdave on Sept 7, 2008 10:52:23 GMT -5
I know of one that was poached last year, found on my property...
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Post by Decatur on Sept 7, 2008 11:39:46 GMT -5
That is sickening!
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Post by freedomhunter on Sept 7, 2008 12:43:37 GMT -5
Don't see any road hunters or jacklighters any more. Used to hear/see much more of that. Agreed, the biggest problem is widespread party hunting for bucks, much easier to get away with. Telecheck would cure some of the antlerless that don't get checked in. I would guess in older age class deer, as many are legally killed are also poached, just because of difficulty to legally kill one and the people that freak over big racks.
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Post by Harley on Sept 7, 2008 13:08:09 GMT -5
I think there was a lot more road/light hunting going on in the 80's then there is now but there is still a fair amount going on today. All you need to do is spend a little time in the HNF and you are bound to runs across a few of these guys.
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Post by huxbux on Sept 7, 2008 13:32:49 GMT -5
I know of one that was poached last year, found on my property... Wow! looks like they started to cape it out, then decided they better get out of there in a hurry. I'll bet it was a nice one.
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Post by 76chevy on Sept 7, 2008 16:10:30 GMT -5
we can only guess as to how many...
I doubt it equals the legal harvest though.
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