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Post by dburkhead on Aug 19, 2008 9:19:07 GMT -5
I've been hunting once in my life, back when I was 17 or so (duck--got nothing), and that was 30 years ago. Lately, however, I've been getting all outdoorsy--starting with shooting, then fishing, and now I'm looking at hunting. Although I'm posting this in "deer" I'm not necessarily limiting my interest to that.
So I'm looking on suggestions on getting started. I've already bought my hunting license (just went ahead and got the combined hunting/fishing license when I started looking at fishing again). I have the following:
Weapons: Ruger 10/22 rifle with front post and rear peep (receiver mounted). Mosin Nagant 91/30 (don't expect this to be a useful hunting piece in this state). Taurus PT 1911 AR (don't have handgun carry license yet, so this is out as a hunting piece until it arrives). A composite recurve bow in the 50-70 lb range. (Target arrows only at the moment, and it's been a decade since I shot it.)
Other items: comfortable hiking boots a variety of sweaters for layering against cold weather. compass assorted USGS 7.5 minute maps of the area (and can get more easily enough). A fairly decent backpack with hydration arrangements.
Although I'm old enough for a Hunter Safety course to not be required, I worked through the online one (available from DNR) and took the practice test with an 87 (or so--it's been a few weeks and I don't recall the exact score. The mistakes. BTW, were matters of not knowing what something was called).
I plan to hit the Indy 1500 this weekend, so suggestions on what I should consider adding to my kit would be welcome (budget would be nice, at this time).
I know I'm going to need to get some fluorescent orange clothing (although I don't figure to need the gun show for that).
Any other help/advice folk can give would be much appreciated.
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Post by hunter7x on Aug 19, 2008 9:42:34 GMT -5
Sounds like the most helpful thing you need is a hunting buddy. Someone who has been out there amungst us for a while.
Also gear doesn't make you a hunter, time spent is bigger help.
Figure what season you want to try it in and head that direction. If its deer hunting during the gun season, there will be more suggestions than you will be able to make sense of with weapon choices!! The most accurate firearm you can shoot is my suggestion.
Good luck and welcome to the sport !
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 19, 2008 9:49:34 GMT -5
You can't deer hunt with a 45ACP in IN anyway. IN's orange requirement is pretty minimal, a hat will do it, any more than that is up to you. (if I gun hunted public ground I would have more) Your bow with broadheads will cover archery season. For gun season you have several options:
1. A rifle in pistol type rounds the 357, 41 & 44 mags, 454, 45Colt for example. 2. A muzzleloader which could be used during gun and muzzleloader season. I'd go with the Savage smokeless with that option. This option deserve serious consideration. 3. A shotgun with slugs. I'd much prefer a rifled barrel with sabots if going this route. An advantage to this choice would be you could get 2 barrels and use this one to cover birds & rabbits as well. 4. Handgun. A large caliber revolver or my personal favorite; a T/C ENCORE! ;D (or Contender). This opens up many of the high power rifle rounds, although they do require some extra familiarization work, (ie you have to be willing to put in the extra practice time) and there is no dual purpose spot for them.
Your 10/22 will cover you for squirrels etc.
Guess it all depends on what else you want to hunt and how much you have to spend.
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Post by dburkhead on Aug 19, 2008 10:29:31 GMT -5
You can't deer hunt with a 45ACP in IN anyway. Ah, I see that the case is too short. I'll probably pick up a shotgun (at least) at the Indy 1500. I like the idea of one with a rifled barrel (although I'm confused as to the difference between a shotgun with a rifled barrel and, you know, a rifle) and one or more extra barrels for small game. A "hunting buddy"/mentor would be wonderful. Unfortunately, none of my social circle (including folk who shoot) are hunters.
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Post by 10point on Aug 19, 2008 10:36:09 GMT -5
If you tell us where you live maybe someone can sort of mentor you.
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 19, 2008 11:30:23 GMT -5
That's been debated before!
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Post by oldhoyt on Aug 19, 2008 11:41:13 GMT -5
If you will consider used shotguns for deer, I'd look for a Savage bolt action or a Mossberg 512 Slugmaster bolt action. I have the Mossberg and like it a lot. These are fully rifled barrels. If you get a pump gun, definitely look for a fully rifled barrel. The best ammo for rifled barrels will be some kind of Sabot slug (not a rifled slug, they are best in smooth bores), but you may have to try a few brands. My gun likes Winshester sabots, the BRI type, with a velocity of around 1400 fps. The faster slugs don't shoot as well in my gun.
Muzzleloaders are great fun, but may be more effort to clean and shoot than you'd want for a "beginner", but that's up to you. You'll get more hunting season with a muzzleloader as they can be used in the firearms season as well as the muzzleloader season.
Pump shotguns can be used with a smoothbore barrel, and you could hunt small game like rabbits, waterfowl and turkeys too.
You really can't go too wrong with buying a pump shotgun combo (they come with a bird barrel and a rifled barrel for slugs) like the Mossberg 500 or Remington 870. They are very versatile, and are a good value. If you choose to stick with hunting you can buy more specialty guns as you need/want them like a PCR rifle, a muzzleloader or a dedicated slug gun.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 19, 2008 11:53:00 GMT -5
You've opened a huge can of worms with this post! Never ask a group of outdoorsmen/women for their opinions about hunting/fishing/trapping! Good luck, and welcome back!
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 19, 2008 12:02:42 GMT -5
I'd shy away from the bolt shotguns since you're after a multipurpose shotgun. I have an 870 and 3 barrels for it. 28" vent rib with tubes, smooth bore with Williams Firesights and turkey choke tube and a rifled cantilevered barrel. With those three barrels there isn't much I couldn't cover except for long range varmitting. Like oldhoyt said you could start there and add other toys as you go. Ask Woody, which guns kept on running at the trap range during our last gathering. Isn't that the truth! ;D
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Post by dburkhead on Aug 19, 2008 12:37:22 GMT -5
If you tell us where you live maybe someone can sort of mentor you. Ah, pardon. I'd mentioned location elsewhere on the board and neglected to say here. I'm located in Indianapolis, northwest side. Oh, and although I posted in deer hunting, my interest is not limited to that. I just didn't want to repeat the post in all the other game forums.
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Post by jkd on Aug 19, 2008 15:47:59 GMT -5
Be aware that if you are going to deer hunt, you will need a separte license for that based on which season/weapon you're going for, e.g. archery deer license or firearms deer license. You can pick up a hard copy of the IDNR Hunting & Trapping Guide at any Marsh or Wal-Mart, and those stores also sell the licenses, or you can purchase on on-line at the IDNR website.
Mossberg's are a good choice for a slug gun... I've had a Trophy Slugster 500 that's been whackin' deer since the mid-80's and never had a malfunction with it. To answer your question, a fully-rifled slug barrel has grooves inside which will grip the slug/sabot and spin it up, leading to improved accuracy at longer ranges over a smooth-bore barrels.
Although a lot of guys shoot them, I'm not a fan of the screw-in type rifled inserts (barrel that is otherwise smooth and only the end tube is rifled), and the general opinion is they won't stabilize a round as well as a fully rifled barrel.
Saboted slugs are supposed to be more accurate out of a rifled barrel.
Having said all that, PCR rifles are more expensive to buy, but cheaper to shoot than a slug shotgun, and won't have the recoil of the shotgun. The single shot Handi-rifles are less expensive than lever guns, and I've read on forums of guys that have those and do fine with them for deer. I picked up a Marlin 1894CB .44 mag last year, and have been very pleased with the performance, although have yet to put a deer in front of it.
Check local gun shops for used guns as an alternative to new, and places like the Indiana Gun Club northeast of Geist has a lot of used shotguns and some rifles there, and you can test shoot the shotguns.
I'm up in northern Hamilton County, and maybe we could get you up for a shooting session at some point in September if you want to check out some different type of guns or if you get one and need a spot to shoot. Will touch base with you on that later...
Welcome back to the hunting scene, and good luck in the field!
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Post by TagTeamHunter on Aug 19, 2008 16:38:14 GMT -5
I live on the westside of Indy and have access to a local range with guess privileges, so if you need a close place to sight in your gun (PCR/ML/Shotgun) dropped me a PM. As to giving you deer hunting advice ..well I been hunting in Indiana for 3-4 years and zip so far so I am not be the best person to ask.
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Post by huxbux on Aug 19, 2008 20:22:38 GMT -5
You can't go wrong with either the Mossberg 500 combo or the Remington 870 combo. You'll get a rifled deer slug barrel and a smooth bore barrel with choke tubes good for all other IN game animals except varmints all for around $300. If I had to limit myself to a single firearm, it would be one of these two.
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Post by HuntMeister on Aug 19, 2008 20:44:40 GMT -5
Number one priority if you haven't done so already, download the current hunting guide and get to know our hunting laws. You can find a link here on HI at the top of the home page or use this link www.in.gov/dnr/files/fw-huntguide_lowres.pdfNext priority, do you have a place to hunt? You could get started right now with your 10/22 & some squirrel hunting just to get you out in the woods and in hunting mode. IMHO, if you want to try Deer hunting yet this year, I would opt for a Muzzleloader. Learning curve for a Muzz isn't too terribly steep especially since you have been doing some shooting. You still have enough time to get comfortable with it before the firearms season starts - plus like others have said you can hunt both the firearms and Muzzleloader seasons with it which will get you more time in the great outdoors. Welcome back to the wonderful world of hunting...careful you just might get the bug, it is quite addicting you know! ;D
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Post by dburkhead on Aug 20, 2008 6:03:45 GMT -5
Got the hunting guide and am studying it.
Place to hunt? I've been listing public hunting areas that aren't too horribly far away (closest seem to be Atterbury and Morgan-Monroe State Forest), but I'm pretty clueless when it comes to finding/getting permission to hunt on private land.
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Post by HuntMeister on Aug 20, 2008 7:14:11 GMT -5
Got the hunting guide and am studying it. Place to hunt? I've been listing public hunting areas that aren't too horribly far away (closest seem to be Atterbury and Morgan-Monroe State Forest), but I'm pretty clueless when it comes to finding/getting permission to hunt on private land. Morgan Monroe would be a great Squirrel hunting place. I have never Deer hunted down there but alot of folks do. Get yourself the official maps as there are alot of parcels that makeup M.M.S.F. Good luck and keep your questions coming. This is a great site with lots of helpful folks.
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