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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Aug 18, 2008 18:33:04 GMT -5
I think this buck has similar traits of the buck I filmed last year. Would this make P&Y?  This 8 below I got pics of last summer, same exact location. I never got pics again but seen him at night last January. I assume he's still alive and is matter of time before I catch him on camera again.  |
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Post by buckeater on Aug 18, 2008 19:00:43 GMT -5
the one below looks like a ten point to me. the first one looks like he would be close but hard to tell with 8s some times
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 18, 2008 19:15:51 GMT -5
A better question is - Is he a shooter?
And he qualifies for my "book"..
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Post by indianahick on Aug 18, 2008 19:26:23 GMT -5
Don't know anyone named pope or young. But I am sure that he qualifies for hamburger and steaks in the freezer. He He.
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 18, 2008 19:46:31 GMT -5
Looks right at it, give him another year and then you got a mature 8 in the 140's. Pretty simple. They put on more antler in that 3-4yr old transition than any other time. He is a youngin in the states that have proper age structure. He probably won't make it another year around here.
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Post by Decatur on Aug 18, 2008 19:54:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't care if he'd make P&Y, or how old he is, if I saw him, he's a dead deer. Either one of them!
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Post by jajwrigh on Aug 18, 2008 22:20:03 GMT -5
Both shooters in my book as well!
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Post by pav on Aug 19, 2008 5:13:12 GMT -5
Hoosier Hunter,
If your goal is a P&Y buck, wait for the second buck to walk by.
That first buck is borderline at best. Give him another year.
Best advice I can give you on field judging bucks.....if you have to think about, don't shoot. You'll know a shooter when you see it.
Good luck!
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Post by cambygsp on Aug 19, 2008 5:40:11 GMT -5
Will this 8 Make P&Y?
Depends on what you are useing as archery equipment, if you have a light on your sight or something like that, then NO!
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Post by dbd870 on Aug 19, 2008 6:35:43 GMT -5
Sounds like you have the same opinion of P&Y as I do. I'd shoot either one of them.
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Post by Sasquatch on Aug 19, 2008 7:02:44 GMT -5
In most places, you'd be lucky to see either one. You'd be especially nuts to not shoot the second one in about 95% of hunting areas. Many if not most bucks will not even each that antler size. No one can say for sure, but he will likely never get much bigger. I think he'd certainly gross high enough but with the side to side deductions it's hard to say. You could make the case on waiting on the first deer but odds are very high he'll die anyway come firearms season.
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Post by varmint101 on Aug 19, 2008 8:41:35 GMT -5
Why does he have to die come firearms? Looks like he's made it 3 years already.
Like I said Gary, he's close and that second one for sure.
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 19, 2008 10:26:23 GMT -5
Depends on the hunting pressure in his area. The reason he would be likely to die in most pressured areas: the shooters that only hunt the rut with firearms have moved on to this size of buck as a "shooter" (thank the OBR for that). I think in a few years more of these 3 year olds will be making it another year. It is all in what these guys see in the field and what their buddies are killing.
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Aug 19, 2008 18:40:52 GMT -5
Actulally little pressure in this area. A lot of farm land and woods but most is "no-hunting". I also have a pic of a large non-typ from last January as well. Here's the same buck again but he has good sized buddy behind him that he runs with. I get a lot of pictures with the two together.  |
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Post by indianaboy on Aug 21, 2008 0:18:20 GMT -5
Close gross wise but if you are talking by true P/Y standards than I doubt it. The second one will and he is a year older. Good luck with either one of them though
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Post by pav on Aug 21, 2008 5:16:45 GMT -5
Hoosier Hunter,
Based on the second photo, I'm pretty confident you are not looking at a P&Y buck.
Again, *IF* a P&Y calibur buck is your goal, let this guy grow another year. Passing on bucks that size is the first step.
You also need to be able to ignore peer pressure, which can be a tough thing to do. Did you notice seven of the first ten responses to your thread did not address your question? You didn't ask if that buck was a shooter by someone else's standards. You didn't ask for opinions about P&Y. You asked if we thought the buck in the photo would make P&Y minimums. Set your own goals and go after them.
Good luck with your decision....and your season.
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Post by swilk on Aug 21, 2008 7:09:52 GMT -5
Close gross wise but if you are talking by true P/Y standards than I doubt it. The second one will and he is a year older. Good luck with either one of them though How can you tell, by the pictures offered here alone, that the second deer is older? You cannot see anything that is a good indicator of age. Nothing. Unless you are saying he has more antler therefore he must be older. |
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Post by varmint101 on Aug 21, 2008 8:43:34 GMT -5
pav, I wish I had your skill at aging/scoring. I would've thought that 8 was close to P&Y and probably would've shot if given the chance. I do know they have to be a big 8 to make 140, but 125.. I'm not as good at knowing the borderline.
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Post by pav on Aug 21, 2008 15:05:40 GMT -5
Close gross wise but if you are talking by true P/Y standards than I doubt it. The second one will and he is a year older. Good luck with either one of them though How can you tell, by the pictures offered here alone, that the second deer is older? You cannot see anything that is a good indicator of age. Nothing. Unless you are saying he has more antler therefore he must be older. According to the caption, the second photo was taken a year ago. |
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Post by pav on Aug 21, 2008 15:12:19 GMT -5
pav, I wish I had your skill at aging/scoring. I would've thought that 8 was close to P&Y and probably would've shot if given the chance. I do know they have to be a big 8 to make 140, but 125.. I'm not as good at knowing the borderline. Eight pointers are tough to judge. My opinion is not based on skill, but on an eight point I have on the wall that barely netted P&Y minimums. I posted a photo of that buck for reference at HoosierHunting on this very same thread. |
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