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Post by drs on Sept 11, 2007 13:13:57 GMT -5
No, the Trespassers, you speak of are definitely NOT the Sportsmen I speak of. I have never hunting on anyone's land without their consent or permission, and never about to start. Farmers place "No Hunting" signs up on their property when they don't want people to hunt there, and most everyone, except a very small percentage, obey the Farmers wishes. Afterall it's his land. Anyone who does Trespass is a "Poacher", in my book. These Farmers or Landowners can simply called the police or the sheriff's office if they have problems with Hunters. They don't need a Business venture looking out for their land which is a lame excuse from your side-of-the-fence, to make a profit off Wildlife, that belong to ALL Hoosiers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2007 13:45:06 GMT -5
You don't "own" any deer except the one you put your tag on. They belong to the state, and you get to use them, same as a leesor or a free loader or a non-hunter or someone who hates hunters.
As for farmers taking time to police their ground, the ones I deal with mostly don't have the time. They farm thousands of acres and just don't want to be bothered with it. A lease generally cures that for them.
sorry, but your wrong about leasing, same as your wrong about EHD. You don't have to like it, but that's your problem, it's here to stay.
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Post by danf on Sept 11, 2007 16:05:18 GMT -5
Now just maybe these same chemicals, they use to spray for insect pest, are most likely controling the number of "Midges" that carry this Disease "EHD". I don't work for a lawn care business, but I'm not far from it. As a landscaper, and a certified and licensed pesticide applicator, I would have to disagree with your assumption. Lawn treatments are just that. Lawn treatments. There are things that can be put down for grubs and such, but if they are being put down in such a matter to where they can run-off into a water body where the midges spend a fair amount of their life cycle (even if it's a detention pond- one that's not wet all the time), they are doing so illegally, as per the label! That is the only way I could see some cross-control of the midges with typical lawn/landscape chemicals. Many of the chemicals need to be ingested by the bugs in order for the chemical to kill them. I'm not sure what midges eat, but I'd just about bet my next paycheck that it's not grass... I can't wait to see what you come up with next..............
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 11, 2007 19:35:25 GMT -5
Fat deer...must not be in too good of condition? Urban areas are normally over crowded, thats why Urban Areas have a more liberal season limit and special season........worse so than any leased area as far as over populated. Gibson Co. has some EHD as does Knox Co. both are fairly populated with people. David, if you don't get EHD in your area, it's because your lucky. Hope it stays that way. EHD is flat out the luck of the draw. The draught in southern Indian as well as some other states has contributed greatly to it. The more deer in an area means only one thing... more deer for the midges to bite. Deer, nor the midges do not care one iota whether the ground is leased, private or public.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 11, 2007 19:39:45 GMT -5
Now just maybe these same chemicals, they use to spray for insect pest, are most likely controling the number of "Midges" that carry this Disease "EHD". ............. I'm not sure what midges eat, but I'd just about bet my next paycheck that it's not grass... I can't wait to see what you come up with next.............. As larva they eat algae from stagnated ponds until they become midges and they they go look for live meals. They will raise a welp on a human too.
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Post by drs on Sept 12, 2007 6:45:17 GMT -5
This is the only thing that's true in your post. I do not wish to continue arguing with you or a couple other members here that have been insulting toward my beliefs. I am entitled to MY OPINION, as you are to yours. Therefore we will agree to disagree. I don't want to have Woody's fine forum turned into a forum where insults are exchanged. If this continues I will leave this forum.
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Post by drs on Sept 12, 2007 6:50:21 GMT -5
Now just maybe these same chemicals, they use to spray for insect pest, are most likely controling the number of "Midges" that carry this Disease "EHD". I don't work for a lawn care business, but I'm not far from it. As a landscaper, and a certified and licensed pesticide applicator, I would have to disagree with your assumption. Lawn treatments are just that. Lawn treatments. There are things that can be put down for grubs and such, but if they are being put down in such a matter to where they can run-off into a water body where the midges spend a fair amount of their life cycle (even if it's a detention pond- one that's not wet all the time), they are doing so illegally, as per the label! That is the only way I could see some cross-control of the midges with typical lawn/landscape chemicals. Many of the chemicals need to be ingested by the bugs in order for the chemical to kill them. I'm not sure what midges eat, but I'd just about bet my next paycheck that it's not grass... I can't wait to see what you come up with next.............. Here, in Vanderburgh County, there is a lot of spraying for Mosquitoes. Wouldn't this also kill the "Midge" that is causing EHD to spread? Also how come there is NO EHD on my property or areas around it?? There is more than enough Deer in the area, and if this spraying is NOT having an affect on the population, of these Midges, then what is?
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 12, 2007 7:09:53 GMT -5
I don't work for a lawn care business, but I'm not far from it. As a landscaper, and a certified and licensed pesticide applicator, I would have to disagree with your assumption. Lawn treatments are just that. Lawn treatments. There are things that can be put down for grubs and such, but if they are being put down in such a matter to where they can run-off into a water body where the midges spend a fair amount of their life cycle (even if it's a detention pond- one that's not wet all the time), they are doing so illegally, as per the label! That is the only way I could see some cross-control of the midges with typical lawn/landscape chemicals. Many of the chemicals need to be ingested by the bugs in order for the chemical to kill them. I'm not sure what midges eat, but I'd just about bet my next paycheck that it's not grass... I can't wait to see what you come up with next.............. Here, in Vanderburgh County, there is a lot of spraying for Mosquitoes. Wouldn't this also kill the "Midge" that is causing EHD to spread? Also how come there is NO EHD on my property or areas around it?? There is more than enough Deer in the area, and if this spraying is NOT having an affect on the population, of these Midges, then what is? Dumb luck....I've seen it hit one wood lot and a half mile down the road nothing at all. It is VERY spotty in appearance.
You cant blame EHD, or lack thereof, on anything but the midges. No leasing, no spraying, no too many deer, no nothing...
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Post by rockster11 on Sept 12, 2007 13:52:30 GMT -5
Hi everyone... Long time since I posted but I am gearing up for hunting season and this has me greatly concerned (EHD). Has it hit any of the northern counties such as Miami, wabash or further north?? Thanks
Matt
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Post by lymanl3 on Sept 15, 2007 4:29:58 GMT -5
Good lord...thought this was supposed to be about EHD not leasing. Anyhow, Tom I would disagree....Knox is not that heavily populated. Only on the outskirts of St. Francis ;D We found 2 dead does on our property in Knox....4 miles away on some more property we found zero.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2007 14:48:05 GMT -5
40,000 population, Vincennes is a decent size town. Hwy. 41 N is fairly busy all the time. It's not downtown Indy, but it's not Podunk either.
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Post by lymanl3 on Sept 17, 2007 14:26:15 GMT -5
Did you account for university students? Not too many hunters within the city limits...Knox is mostly agricultural.
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Post by cvillehunter on Sept 19, 2007 9:42:50 GMT -5
I hunt a 110 acre farm and have found 6 deer dead so far and just 15 miles away I have another 100 acre farm that I hunt and haven't found any dead. So it's apparent that it's just dumb luck with EHD and where it hits the deer population.
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