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Post by drs on Aug 28, 2007 8:47:16 GMT -5
The only thing more deer in a population will do is have more dead deer. More targets of opportunity for the midges. More deer in a herd will make for a faster recovery the next few years. Percentage wise will still be the same. The midges carry the disease, they do not spread it from one deer to another. In other words if one deer has it and a non-infected midge bites it they do not become a carrier to another non-infected deer. Deer will not contract EHD on their own. They need to be bitten by a EHD virus carrying midge. However, there is still the possibility that this virus can mutate into a form that will allow it to be more wide spread to other species. Viruses are funny this way.
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Post by drs on Aug 28, 2007 9:08:27 GMT -5
Blue Tongue May Affect Deer Population By Hunting Season Save Email Print Posted: 9:54 PM Aug 19, 2007 Last Updated: 11:43 AM Aug 20, 2007 Reporter: Forrest Sanders Email Address: forrest.sanders@wbko.com
As deer hunting season starts in September, gun safety isn't the only thing troubling hunters.
Eleven Kentucky counties have reported an outbreak of episodic hemorrhagic disease, or blue tongue.
It's a cyclic disease that affects deer every two to three years.
And the Department of Fish and Wildlife is warning hunters that the deer population could be severely affected this fall. Earlier in the week, Nathan Sprague found two dead deer near his home in Rockfield.
"There was a little buck dead by the edge of the pond here and there was a doe dead in the pond itself," Sprague said.
And a little bit of research later, Nathan found out the deer had been affected by episodic hemorrhagic disease.
It's a disease that causes a fever and swelling of the head, neck and eyelids of the deer.
But according to the Dept. of Fish and Wildlife, EHD is nothing uncommon.
"There's an outbreak every couple of years. It's nothing out of the ordinary, but due to some of this dry, hot weather, that might have some affect on the virus and some of the bugs that are transmitting the virus," James Heady, with the Dept. of Fish and Wildlife said. "We have drought conditions, so we have stagnant water which gives more opportunity for these midge flies to reproduce. The more midge flies who are capable of carrying this disease, the more you're likely to be bitten by them," Sprague added.
Less than 25-percent of deer usually die from EHD in a population and Officer Heady is quick to point out. it's not infectious to humans.
But as a hunter of deer, Nathan's being wary about the meat he's storing this fall.
"I'll be definitely careful this year when we harvest deer. We'll look them over very well and be sure that if the deer has any lesion, we'll probably dispose of it rather than use it for food," Sprague assured.
Usually, it takes 72 hours for a deer to die of EHD.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 20:20:42 GMT -5
can a infected deer infect cows,afriend of mine has a walkin cooler wich is in his barn around a bunch of cows
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Post by drs on Aug 30, 2007 6:43:54 GMT -5
can a infected deer infect cows,afriend of mine has a walkin cooler wich is in his barn around a bunch of cows Not after the Deer is dead. Most viruses dies also, EHD being one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2007 7:12:16 GMT -5
Depends if his cows are on "leased" farm or if he has too many of them for the amount of acerage.
Really, it depends on a midge, that could infect a cow if it has contacted a deer with EHD. The dead deer isn't too much of a threat once it's in the cooler. This epedimic will die down as soon as the first frost hits, which could be awhile. There's a chance you could kill a deer in Oct. with EHD. While it's safe to eat, most people would prefer not to. The same midge that infected it, could also infect a cow though.
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Post by mbogo on Sept 1, 2007 10:27:35 GMT -5
Yes, that is the point, you saw one dead deer in a low population area as opposed to the dozens of dead deer typically found in high population areas. More deer = more deer infected = more dead deer.
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Post by drs on Sept 1, 2007 12:06:37 GMT -5
Yes, that is the point, you saw one dead deer in a low population area as opposed to the dozens of dead deer typically found in high population areas. More deer = more deer infected = more dead deer. Couldn't have said it better, "mbogo"!
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Post by booner1331 on Sept 1, 2007 20:09:34 GMT -5
buddy in Pike Co, found at least 10 dead deer on his lake........ DNR told him expect 25-50% mortality rate
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Post by lymanl3 on Sept 3, 2007 20:46:06 GMT -5
Not sure where leasing came into play, but shrinking habitat I would certainly say is correlated. The vectory has more hosts to infect if they are more concentrated....no stats there.
I havent found any near our ground, but my cams have flat out went dry. I assumed its the heat, and the corn is still up everywhere. I dont expect them to be hitting licks now either. I will check the water supplies to see if any are dying.
Lyman
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Post by danf on Sept 3, 2007 20:55:44 GMT -5
David (drs) tends to blame leasing for just about everything, the latest of which happened to be EHD. Read a couple of the most recent threads in this forum to find what I'm talking about. From what I understand about EHD, the *percentage* of infected/dead deer will remain roughly the same regardless of whether it's a high or low density population. Yes, you will have a higher number of dead deer in a high density population, but the percentage will be roughly equivalent to the percentage effected on a lower density population...
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 3, 2007 21:24:43 GMT -5
................ From what I understand about EHD, the *percentage* of infected/dead deer will remain roughly the same regardless of whether it's a high or low density population. Yes, you will have a higher number of dead deer in a high density population, but the percentage will be roughly equivalent to the percentage effected on a lower density population... That is what I understand too. The drought is a major contributing factor as it has dried up a lot of water holes and congregates deer at the few remaining ones. That is where the gnats were hatched out. Their larva feeds on algae which is more prevelent in standing stagnant water. This has been major all over the south.. It is a fungers cross that it doesn't hit your own area as it is spotty.
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Post by drs on Sept 4, 2007 7:15:53 GMT -5
I blame leasing on a lot of the problems the sport of hunting has past & Future. Yes it is partly responsible for this outbreak of EHD but not totally. If more Hunting Grounds/areas were available for Hunting then we would see more interest in Hunting, and thus the number of Hunters would stabilize or increase. EHD would then be a lesser problem, if more areas were open to hunting, as population control is the one of the solutions. Next season I believe we'll have "Bucks Only" hunting.
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Post by indianaboy on Sept 4, 2007 20:21:08 GMT -5
I blame leasing on a lot of the problems the sport of hunting has past & Future. Yes it is partly responsible for this outbreak of EHD but not totally. If more Hunting Grounds/areas were available for Hunting then we would see more interest in Hunting, and thus the number of Hunters would stabilize or increase. EHD would then be a lesser problem, if more areas were open to hunting, as population control is the one of the solutions. Next season I believe we'll have "Bucks Only" hunting. OK???
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Post by whiteoak on Sept 5, 2007 22:05:18 GMT -5
I blame leasing on a lot of the problems the sport of hunting has past & Future. Yes it is partly responsible for this outbreak of EHD but not totally. If more Hunting Grounds/areas were available for Hunting then we would see more interest in Hunting, and thus the number of Hunters would stabilize or increase. EHD would then be a lesser problem, if more areas were open to hunting, as population control is the one of the solutions. Next season I believe we'll have "Bucks Only" hunting. If it's buck only next year, I will get out of my 1200 acre lease and quit hunting. then maybe there won't be another outbreak of EHD next year.
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Post by danf on Sept 5, 2007 22:14:04 GMT -5
Next season I believe we'll have "Bucks Only" hunting. You know, if I'm not mistaken, you were singing the same song last year around this time... And, yet, the bonus anterless allowance increased (again) statewide this year. The counties that decreased were those that were hit by EHD, and every one of those same counties still have an antlerless allowance. The biologists realize that EHD is mother nature's nasty way of helping to reduce the herd numbers... They aren't going to let the population rebound back to pre-EHD numbers very soon if they can avoid it.
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Post by drs on Sept 6, 2007 6:48:51 GMT -5
Next season I believe we'll have "Bucks Only" hunting. You know, if I'm not mistaken, you were singing the same song last year around this time... And, yet, the bonus anterless allowance increased (again) statewide this year. The counties that decreased were those that were hit by EHD, and every one of those same counties still have an antlerless allowance. The biologists realize that EHD is mother nature's nasty way of helping to reduce the herd numbers... They aren't going to let the population rebound back to pre-EHD numbers very soon if they can avoid it. You know what I think....You are simply trying to get into an argument with me on a subject you apparently know little about, so STOP YOUR ARGUMENT!
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Post by danf on Sept 6, 2007 6:55:35 GMT -5
No, I'm not trying to argue. Just simply trying to figure out where you come up with some of this stuff!
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Post by drs on Sept 6, 2007 7:32:57 GMT -5
No, I'm not trying to argue. Just simply trying to figure out where you come up with some of this stuff! Do like I do....Research!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2007 10:19:15 GMT -5
[ You know what I think....You are simply trying to get into an argument with me on a subject you apparently know little about, so STOP YOUR ARGUMENT! David, you really need to stop the BS about what EHD is and is not. There's tons of data on this every year disease, and none of it shows that leasing or shrinking habitat has any effect on the disease or it's spread, including the number of deer that will die off because of it. BTW-- you say you researcxh, so post up the part that shows that leasing is a factor? You've been proven wrong dozens of times on several boards on the Internet but it's the same old tune for you. It'll stop when you put the blame on the midge and simple bad luck instead of the things that you detest about hunting, particularly leasing. Leasing has absolultely no effect on this disease. In fact, I'll wager that most of the many deer that will die this year from this disease won't be found on leased ground.
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Post by drs on Sept 7, 2007 13:26:03 GMT -5
[ You know what I think....You are simply trying to get into an argument with me on a subject you apparently know little about, so STOP YOUR ARGUMENT! David, you really need to stop the BS about what EHD is and is not. There's tons of data on this every year disease, and none of it shows that leasing or shrinking habitat has any effect on the disease or it's spread, including the number of deer that will die off because of it. BTW-- you say you researcxh, so post up the part that shows that leasing is a factor? You've been proven wrong dozens of times on several boards on the Internet but it's the same old tune for you. It'll stop when you put the blame on the midge and simple bad luck instead of the things that you detest about hunting, particularly leasing. Leasing has absolultely no effect on this disease. In fact, I'll wager that most of the many deer that will die this year from this disease won't be found on leased ground. HEY! Here's an idea ....GIVE THIS THREAD A REST!.....OKAY? I know what I am talking about so there.
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