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Post by hunter480 on Dec 29, 2006 14:02:38 GMT -5
To the point you make, that you feel there are too many hunting regs-
It`s because there are so many "used car salesmen" out there, who live to find all the angles, all the loopholes, and any underhanded way they can to violate the spirit of the law and abuse the game.
A real good example is, are you aware of what the possession limits are about? Yet, how many people do you personally know who have more fish or game in their freezer than the possession limit allows?
Fish and game laws are there for a reason, and we only have as many of them as we need to attempt to keep control of the low lifes who make a living finding ways around them.
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Post by firstwd on Dec 29, 2006 20:40:08 GMT -5
H480 brings up a great point on "Possession Limits". If you read the actual Indiana Code on this, you are in violation if you have game in the freezer the day after season. Actually, if you have a duck mounted at home it could be counted as part of your possession limit.
Not much over 100 years ago we had no game laws, and we almost wiped out everything in this country. They were established to preserve animals so you and I could enjoy the opportunity to hunt, trap, and fish. I always here of how inconvenient the laws are to us. Get over it. With the never ending urban sprawl things will only be getting worse.
1. I don't want "dial-a-deer" because the world is just becoming too easy.
2. I like the idea of plugged guns for all seasons, but this would be greatly difficult due to certain gun types.
3. I agree we should have a deer license structure where one antlered tag is good through all seasons, the anterless tags already are.
4. I agree that crossbows should be allowed all archery. Only one antlered deer can be taken, who cares what it is taken with.
5. I would love to see an October "Traditional Black Powder"season. That would be a great way to get kids and adults back to their roots.
6. I would love to see archery season run from mid September to the end of January.
7. I would love to have the harvest numbers analyzed each year and the counties that need deer reductions get a week in January to "gun hunt" to help further reduce the numbers.
8. I would like to see Hunter Ed not be required until kids are 12, but have a two year exemption to allow everyone to try hunting.
9. I would love to see QDM actually take on a role of producing a healthy, abundant deer herd and not be some people trying to create "Trophy" racks while the insurance companies try to create lees total deer in the state.
10. Now that I have produced my wish list I would absolutely LOVE to see this thread get to the question that was asked.
What regulations do you think we don't need?
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 29, 2006 20:57:40 GMT -5
IMO any regulation that cannot be defended objectively, using hard science, is a bad regulation - and therefore one of the class of "too many".
"Social" regulations are simple absurdities.
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Post by greghopper on Dec 29, 2006 21:14:36 GMT -5
H480 brings up a great point on "Possession Limits". If you read the actual Indiana Code on this, you are in violation if you have game in the freezer the day after season. Actually, if you have a duck mounted at home it could be counted as part of your possession limit. Not much over 100 years ago we had no game laws, and we almost wiped out everything in this country. They were established to preserve animals so you and I could enjoy the opportunity to hunt, trap, and fish. I always here of how inconvenient the laws are to us. Get over it. With the never ending urban sprawl things will only be getting worse. 1. I don't want "dial-a-deer" because the world is just becoming too easy. 5. I would love to see an October "Traditional Black Powder"season. That would be a great way to get kids and adults back to their roots. 1 and 5 .......gets my vote!!!!! |
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Post by nodog on Dec 29, 2006 21:33:32 GMT -5
Regs should be consistent. We push the safety issue without including it in all area's and often pass regs based on the actions of those who break them not the law abiding. So the law abiding are punished. Not the definition of freedom in my book. A free society must be willing to live with mistakes. To regulate things based on what someone might do is not freedom.
Here's an example. Built a room and installed a hot tub in it. Because of it the room was no longer an addition it was a swimming pool rm. Electrical codes are different. Outlets are much more scarce. I tried to explain to the building dept. that often people get them they turn into a biology experiment and then they are removed leaving in this case no outlets where they should be causing there to be extensions running all over. My solution was this, put in boxes with solid covers. When the tub is removed outlets could then be installed. No dice they said, as soon as we leave they would put receptacles in. This is not how we should live, but they are like gods in the building industry.
Having said that, checking in whole deer are not always best and I have had words with the ODNR about it. There answer was basically the same. Some one might poach a deer, as if they wouldn't any other way. I hunt miles in some places with out the advantage of any motorised vehicles allowed. Just plain stupid to not allow a guy to pack them out and call it in. There answer was that if a guy is going to hunt there they had better be able to get them out. Thanks for the concern for our safety and the processing of our food. Lost a deer last year because of the heat and the time to get it out. Long story.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 30, 2006 0:14:41 GMT -5
I'd like to add a Regulation something like this.....
How about a test to get your license.....If you're not smart enough to read and figure out the regulations as an adult/hunter you don't get a license.
Also could add firearm safety to the test, ethics, field dressing game etc...I think we should have to prove that we are competent to hunt and have the mental faculties to parade around the woods with a deadly weapon capable of killing another hunter or yourself before earning a license....
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Post by nodog on Dec 30, 2006 7:52:59 GMT -5
I'd like to add a Regulation something like this..... How about a test to get your license.....If you're not smart enough to read and figure out the regulations as an adult/hunter you don't get a license. Also could add firearm safety to the test, ethics, field dressing game etc...I think we should have to prove that we are competent to hunt and have the mental faculties to parade around the woods with a deadly weapon capable of killing another hunter or yourself before earning a license.... Here in Ohio we have a required hunter safety course. I will be going through it with my kids soon. I believe it has changed since I took it many years ago. Don't remember it being 3 days long. |
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 30, 2006 11:09:48 GMT -5
To the point you make, that you feel there are too many hunting regs- It`s because there are so many "used car salesmen" out there, who live to find all the angles, all the loopholes, and any underhanded way they can to violate the spirit of the law and abuse the game. A real good example is, are you aware of what the possession limits are about? Yet, how many people do you personally know who have more fish or game in their freezer than the possession limit allows? Fish and game laws are there for a reason, and we only have as many of them as we need to attempt to keep control of the low lifes who make a living finding ways around them. And you give an excellent example of why the regulations need to be simplified. Some things need to be "black and white" and not soo much gray. Its the gray area in which the poachers love to live. |
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Post by lugnutz on Dec 30, 2006 11:14:17 GMT -5
I'd like to add a Regulation something like this..... How about a test to get your license.....If you're not smart enough to read and figure out the regulations as an adult/hunter you don't get a license. Also could add firearm safety to the test, ethics, field dressing game etc...I think we should have to prove that we are competent to hunt and have the mental faculties to parade around the woods with a deadly weapon capable of killing another hunter or yourself before earning a license.... Your first statement would knock out about 95% of the hunters due to the "gray" area in the regulations. Your second statement is something we already have in HE. Maybe we should have to take the class every 5 years or so. But you CAN NOT include ethics, for the obvious reasons. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 30, 2006 11:32:08 GMT -5
I'd like to add a Regulation something like this..... How about a test to get your license.....If you're not smart enough to read and figure out the regulations as an adult/hunter you don't get a license. Also could add firearm safety to the test, ethics, field dressing game etc...I think we should have to prove that we are competent to hunt and have the mental faculties to parade around the woods with a deadly weapon capable of killing another hunter or yourself before earning a license.... Are you proposing this for every year or once in a lifetime? Not sure that the IDNR would have anywhere close the manpower to administrate something like this on a yearly or even every five years basis, much less enforce it. . |
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Post by mbogo on Dec 31, 2006 10:48:28 GMT -5
I'd like to add a Regulation something like this..... How about a test to get your license.....If you're not smart enough to read and figure out the regulations as an adult/hunter you don't get a license. Also could add firearm safety to the test, ethics, field dressing game etc...I think we should have to prove that we are competent to hunt and have the mental faculties to parade around the woods with a deadly weapon capable of killing another hunter or yourself before earning a license.... And after everyone that doesn't hunt the way you do is removed from the woods, exactly how many will be left to defend your right to continue to hunt? The way some people act on here, an outsider would think that half of the hunters are shot during the season and half of the rest are busy poaching.  |
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Post by nodog on Dec 31, 2006 17:15:06 GMT -5
I'd like to add a Regulation something like this..... How about a test to get your license.....If you're not smart enough to read and figure out the regulations as an adult/hunter you don't get a license. Also could add firearm safety to the test, ethics, field dressing game etc...I think we should have to prove that we are competent to hunt and have the mental faculties to parade around the woods with a deadly weapon capable of killing another hunter or yourself before earning a license.... And after everyone that doesn't hunt the way you do is removed from the woods, exactly how many will be left to defend your right to continue to hunt? The way some people act on here, an outsider would think that half of the hunters are shot during the season and half of the rest are busy poaching. Sad, true and funny. |
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Post by paul3 on Dec 31, 2006 23:43:50 GMT -5
Hunters need to learn how to read the regs, Possession Limits have nouthing to do with what you have at home in the freezer. Its possession limits in the field.You can kill five rabbits per day if you go on a weekend hunt after two days hunting and getting your limit both days you have to stop hunting Or take your rabbits home then go back hunting. Its an easy reg to understand yet some people just can,t understand it. The less reg.s we have the better.
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Post by paul3 on Dec 31, 2006 23:47:07 GMT -5
Or you can do what I do, Eat 5 of them then you can hunt the third day with out taking eny home.
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Post by firstwd on Jan 1, 2007 0:22:29 GMT -5
paul3......You may want to ask your local officer. What you have said does make the most sence. Unfortunately, it is up to the individual officer. I worry more about this with waterfowl than anything else. I have an annual gathering of friends and family. All the birds are processed and stored in my fridge and freezer until they are taken home. My local officer knows this and has discussed it with me. As long as they are all marked with what is in the bags, who took them, and the date taken, I'm legal. If anything is not marked it is assumed mine and I can easily go over the limit.
I really wish the law way defined as how you wrote, but it currently is not.
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Post by paul3 on Jan 1, 2007 1:23:21 GMT -5
I,ve found that alot of time the COs don,t understand the regs. Take the number of days the season is open times daily bag limit= number of birds you can have in your freezer at end of season. And some COs flat out lie about the reg.s
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Post by hornharvester on Jan 1, 2007 4:24:24 GMT -5
paul3,
I think you are the one who is mis-understanding on the regulations. it is illegal to possess more than 2 times the daily bag limit after the second day of the season for taking that animal.
And I think you are wrong about C.O.'s lying about regulations, I know several and none of them would lie. If you are going to accuse them of lying then lets hear the facts. h.h.
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Post by ridgerunner on Jan 1, 2007 11:07:03 GMT -5
Woody the DNR currently is doing the same with Hunter's Ed. Pretty much the same except many of us older hunters were grandfathered in.
I took hunter education becuase my kids were taking it and you need it to hunt in some of the other States before you can get a license. Many have not taken it. Some kind of test, so hunters have something invested.
Hunting is a privledge, not a right and many hunters I feel take it for granted. Obviously we who take the time to debate issues here are not the average hunter, we have issues we feel strongly about and care enough about it to invest our time discussing it.
We have the manpower, we're doing it with Hunter's Ed, we need to catch up some of the guys who were grandfathered.
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Post by RiverJim on Jan 1, 2007 11:18:01 GMT -5
My problem is with the way some are written!
Example; Page 15.....the person who takes the deer must CAUSE the delivery of the deer to an offical check station within 48 hours.............
By this defenition; When my buddy says he's going down to the store, I could put my deer in my buddys truck, wait 2 minutes call his cell and say hey buddy check in my deer while your there! ;D
I had to call for a clarifaction of "cause"!
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Post by Woody Williams on Jan 1, 2007 12:13:56 GMT -5
ridgerunner,
So what you are saying that this would be a once in a lifetime test and not yearly?
How would that help when the regs change yearly?
The IDNR doesn't even run a lot of the HE courses.That is done by "civilian" volunteers.
I have some concerns on some government tests. Especially in the area of hunting.
I'm certainly against hunting disciplines (bows, guns, etc) proficiency tests
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