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Post by hoosier on Dec 19, 2006 18:58:29 GMT -5
Do you think the 45/70 may become a legal deer hunting cartridge some day as the "pistol" cartridges seem to be headed that way?
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Post by Woody Williams on Dec 19, 2006 19:02:54 GMT -5
Do you think the 45/70 may become a legal deer hunting cartridge some day as the "pistol" cartridges seem to be headed that way? No. The 45/70 is not a pistol cartridge. . |
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 19, 2006 19:46:43 GMT -5
Its legal now in centerfire handguns. h.h.
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Post by racktracker on Dec 19, 2006 20:40:18 GMT -5
Its legal now in centerfire handguns. h.h. That is very true, but so is a lot of cartridges that wont be legal in a pistol cartridge rifle. |
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Post by paul3 on Dec 19, 2006 20:41:01 GMT -5
It,s legal now in muzzeloder .45 bullet with 70 grains of blackpower behind it.
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Post by dbd870 on Dec 20, 2006 5:29:31 GMT -5
I doubt it, look at the response by some at the proposal up right now. Would I be in favor of it - yes, and the 30-30, the 35REM, the 444, any of the "brush" rounds would be no more dangerous than what we have now - but I'm just pleased with the rules change as proposed.
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Post by Decatur on Dec 20, 2006 7:33:25 GMT -5
I don't see it happening. Let's not get greedy, or count our chicks before they're hatched! ;d
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Post by RoadKill on Dec 20, 2006 8:07:31 GMT -5
Nope.
I'd like to see it, but perceptions not reality will prevail. That means people think of the 45-70 as a "Quigley" round that will drop elephants at 5 miles!!
As others mentioned the ballistic performance of the 45-70 is surpassed in handguns, slug guns and muzzleloaders. A 454 loaded long in a rifle can equall/pass the standard 45-70 load.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Dec 20, 2006 9:11:16 GMT -5
Doubt it, but we can always hope.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Dec 20, 2006 9:51:59 GMT -5
Not likely any time soon. While I dearly love "Brush Rounds" and used to own a Marlin 1895, the .444, .450 & .45-70 suffer from the same "drawbacks" as the Slug Guns.
Expensive and Hard Shooting.
Therefore, unlike the Pistol Caliber Carbines, they have less of a "social" (teaching kids and greater practice/proficiency & expense) advantage.
Some people will never grasp the ballistics argument, but they can understand the "more shooters = more tags = more money" argument.
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 20, 2006 10:01:15 GMT -5
While I'm against making center fire rifles being legal in deer season i would like to see the IDNR make 45/70 single shot blackpowder cartridges guns legal in muzzleloader season. No lever guns just the single shooters. h.h.
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Post by drs on Dec 20, 2006 11:06:44 GMT -5
I am getting the impression, that many here, and on the other two Indiana Hunting Forums are afraid of centerfires & firearms in general.  If one was truly interested in firearms and ammo, in general, they should embrase & support the attempt to make these short range pistol cartridges legal to hunt Deer in this state. |
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Post by mbogo on Dec 20, 2006 18:46:22 GMT -5
I doubt it will happen, though I wouldn't be against it if it did.
The pistol caliber rifles offer advantages over shotguns that the .45-70, etc. doesn't. With the possible exception of the .450 Marlin only handloaders would gain much of an advantage over saboted shotgun rounds and even then it comes with the price of increased recoil.
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Post by wolfhound on Dec 20, 2006 18:58:37 GMT -5
While I'm against making center fire rifles being legal in deer season i would like to see the IDNR make 45/70 single shot blackpowder cartridges guns legal in muzzleloader season. No lever guns just the single shooters. h.h. Why? There was a bill a while back that would have made BPCR's legal in Illinois ML season. It got killed but didn't in Mississippi. Their "muzzleloader" season now has BPCR's in it. I certainly would have no problem with them being legal in the firearms season and even in their own season but not in muzzlelaoder season. A BPCR lacks something that makes a muzzleloader a muzzle-loader, the ability to load the gun from the muzzle. |
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 20, 2006 20:47:23 GMT -5
Michigan legalized them for their BP season and the ballistics are about the same as PB muzzleloaders and they use BP. Just another weapon that some might use to hunt with that other wise wouldn't hunt. More hunters are a good thing. h.h.
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If one was truly interested in firearms and ammo, in general, they should embrase & support the attempt to make these short range pistol cartridges legal to hunt Deer in this state.