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Post by kbacon on Dec 19, 2006 12:15:42 GMT -5
It comes up every time that there's nice deer taken... there is always some story that it was taken illegally. And I'm sure that some are taken legally and some are taken illegally.
How many of these deer do you believer are taken legally vs illegally?
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Post by mbogo on Dec 19, 2006 12:24:02 GMT -5
Depends on how high you set your definition of a monster. Just looking at HRBP qualifying bucks I know of taken locally, I would guess that perhaps 20-25% were taken less than legally based on those I am pretty sure of. I would guess just as many are poached but not officially scored.
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Post by bschwein on Dec 19, 2006 15:13:54 GMT -5
I would say, now this is my opinion.....that there is only a small, small, % of illegal deer taken that are scored into books. Most dont want to have to answer the questions regarding the deer. I would say the actuall number of monster bucks taken every year illegal would be astonishing to everyone.
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Post by bschwein on Dec 19, 2006 15:19:43 GMT -5
Also when talking about illegal, most people would associate that with poached at night or with a rifle. Tresspassing, shooting from the road, more than 1 buck, 5 minutes before legal shooting light/5 minutes after shooting time, shooting over a fence.. . The catergory for illegal is BIG. So the number of monsters taken illegal would probably be bigger than most would think. Thats my opinion
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Post by cambygsp on Dec 19, 2006 15:22:35 GMT -5
Deer drives with radios are not illegal
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Post by parrothead on Dec 19, 2006 15:24:20 GMT -5
I saw a speaker one time and he had all these huge, huge bucks and he said a lot of the big ones are taken by C & D.
Car and Driver
I know in high school my buddies dad took one with a 88 Gladiatior. Which is one on those big custom vans. Hit it so hard it blew the guts out its arrs. It scored in the 170's/
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Post by Hawkeye on Dec 19, 2006 15:32:47 GMT -5
I agree, many Deer are taken illegally but very few are recorded in any way. I have heard of many hunters saying it is to much trouble to drive to a checking station. so especialy if they live on a farm or close to where they hunt, just take the deer home and butcher,end of story.I have heard this story so many times all over central Indiana.In talking to a CO ,last year he stated, but dont quote me, he would guess maybe 30% deer taken was illegal in some way.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Dec 20, 2006 14:28:32 GMT -5
At least 25%.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 20, 2006 18:40:21 GMT -5
I would add that in my opinion simply having a big rack on the wall to brag about to buddies is more than enough for many poachers. Entering one in a book doesn't really do that much more for them.
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Post by waterfowler on Dec 20, 2006 18:44:20 GMT -5
I would add that in my opinion simply having a big rack on the wall to brag about to buddies is more than enough for many poachers. Entering one in a book doesn't really do that much more for them. I think some of the big time poachers actually have a contest to see who can get a certain buck. I know of at least a half dozen in the Indiana book that were poached. I cant prove it but I know it. |
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 20, 2006 19:23:41 GMT -5
Another reason why our Game Wardens need to get busy and do their job. If 25% of deer are taken illegal then we have a big problem..I always felt we need more Game Wardens who work during season. Most of ours are to busy hunting to respond to any distractions regarding game laws.. Personally I don't believe that many are taken illegally. Yes, there are alot of idiots who cal theirselves hunters out there, but I hate to think 25% of deer are taken illegally. I'd say 5-10% are poached. Some guys will go to any extreme to try and justify their manhood in harvesting a Big Buck.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 20, 2006 19:29:05 GMT -5
Same here.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 20, 2006 19:33:44 GMT -5
Just to add a little something more. Think about how much BS. a guy who kills a Big Buck legally has to endure. The stories, the scrutiny all the crap a guy has to take on a Big Buck that is shot legally, now don't you think ( since were talking monsters here) if a monster deer was taken illegally the word would get out and the Game Warden would question and disect the poachers story. If it's taken illegal and the Game Warden gets to investigating he's gonna find out the truth 9 timems out of ten. I seriously doubt there are many, if at all, any record deer in the books taken illegally due to all the public scrutiny. If they do poach a monster they aren't gonna say a word and thats like sinking a hole in one on the golf course with no one around to witness it. What would be the purpose? For the meat?.....you could shoot a doe for that.....
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 20, 2006 19:40:31 GMT -5
I can say I don't know of any Bucks in the record books that were taken illegally. I know several that were legally harvested. Maybe it's the old " birds of feather flock together" addage.....
If I had any clue, at all ,a deer was in the book taken illegally, I'd notify the authories and let them handle it from there. I consider it my civic duty to report crime.You don't have to prove it, thats the authorities job to prove it....
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Post by kevin1 on Dec 20, 2006 19:45:32 GMT -5
I would bet that half of the big bucks I've seen on the walls at other folks homes were taken illegally in some fashion . Now that we have a restriction that allows only one buck per year you can bet that poaching will increase , some folks just won't settle for a single buck . Add antler restrictions as well and the poaching will skyrocket .
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Post by pbr on Dec 20, 2006 20:05:11 GMT -5
I would bet that half of the big bucks I've seen on the walls at other folks homes were taken illegally in some fashion . Now that we have a restriction that allows only one buck per year you can bet that poaching will increase , some folks just won't settle for a single buck . Add antler restrictions as well and the poaching will skyrocket . I agree on the tighter the restrictions the more game laws will be broken. Antler restrictions would lead to a lot of OOPPSS!! deer being left in the woods. |
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 20, 2006 20:42:26 GMT -5
I agree to the extent that we need to enforce the laws we have on the books. It's like gun control. No, we don't need more laws, you can't legislate people into morality. We have to enforce the laws we have..
I have to say though, if half the deer on (people you know) walls you suspect were taken illegally, maybe you need some new friends???
Obviously you have some reason to believe they are taken illegally or you wouldn't say that..right?...it's not a classic case of " I'm jealous becuase I can't kill a nice buck and he did"..Like I said a couple days ago some guys just can't stand it when somone else takes a big buck.
My buddy killed the third largest buck by bow in Indiana in 2004 195 2/8, and man all heck broke loose. Every rumor in the book.
My neighbor (C.O.) investiagted the whole deal becuase of all the lies from these jealous guys who hunted the adjacent property and were mad they didn't see the deer much less kill the deer.
He said this guy was clean as a whistle and harvested a magnificent deer only for someone to start rumors of him tresspassing where he shot it. Most of the guys who start the rumors are failed hunters who can't kill big bucks and just can't imagine someone being a better hunter than they are....
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Post by kbacon on Dec 20, 2006 22:38:39 GMT -5
Ridge.. no offense.. but you should see the amount of lighted bow sights, scope mounted spotlights, deer cocaine, game feeders, ect.. sold on a yearly basis... just at one major sporting goods store. Not to mention all the guys that come in asking for night vision scopes for their guns.. ect... It's really overwhelming.. and you know that 99% of the guys aren't using these products in a legal manner.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2006 6:41:51 GMT -5
I'd guess that the actual number of book entries that are illegal is rather small. For one, you have to affirm that the animal is legit. Once you do that, one of you friends will expose you if your not telling the truth, sooner or later.
All of the products SOLD in stores can be used legally in some manner. I trust that MOST hunters do things the right way. We all know that some don't, and the only combat to it is peer pressure from those of us that know the story.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 21, 2006 12:13:15 GMT -5
I agree timex.
I have lighted pins on my bow because I hunt from a blind sometimes and if you have ever hunted in a blind with the black interior( shadow guard) it's very hard to see your pins. In fact, I missed a nice gobbler this fall season with my bow at 20 yards because I was looking at the 30 yards pin ( too dark) thought I was looking at the 20.
Then I went to Gander Mountain and picked up some new batteries for my sight and took a bird the very next morning. Also I have trouble during the last 10 minutes of legal shooting seeing my pins thru my peep unless they're lighted.
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