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Post by paul3 on Dec 12, 2006 17:18:44 GMT -5
Those 75# deer are the best tasting the most tender eating you can get. I no longer shoot bucks, and take at lest one small doe each year to go along with the bigger freezer fillers.Gess that makes me a doe and downer.
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Post by hp on Dec 12, 2006 17:53:03 GMT -5
BINGO!!! Paul3
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Post by hornharvester on Dec 12, 2006 18:19:14 GMT -5
Brown and down is just another term used by some hunters to say "if you don't hunt like me you must be an inferior hunter because the way I hunt is the right or ethical way".
Its a sad attempt by some hunters to put down other hunters for size or sex of what they shoot.
Hunting is nothing more than killing an animal for whatever reason satisfies your needs, whether it is for antlers or meat.
I'm a "brown and down" hunter at times and I'm a "trophy hunter" at times. ;)h.h.
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Post by nodog on Dec 12, 2006 19:57:40 GMT -5
These threads do seem to end the same don't they. I do like to look at things from a different perspective, it's healthy and educational. Seems there's nothing to learn here except that ridgerunner obviously hunts in places with quality deer and paying attention to his post could pay off. YUK YUK YUK.
How'd you get the smileys?
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 12, 2006 22:13:36 GMT -5
No..I have quality deer becuase I worked hard on managing the land and deer herd on the property I hunt. I'm just offering my opinion. If you don't like what I have to say, thats fine..I'm just offering a different perspective. ( You Said):"Paying attention to my posts could pay off "?? How am I any different from anybody else who has responded with their opinion. Take it or leave it!! nobody is asking you to do anything,,it's a statement.........based on MY opinion...Some guys are happy shooting anything that moves, some choose to be more selective and some won't shoot anything but a trophy deer. If it makes you happy to harvest fawns and yearlings, then keep doing it, but don't complain when you aren't seeing quality bucks on the land you hunt..Not that there is anything wrong with shooting fawns..i guess...if you need the meat.. My opinion was, if you need the meat, why not shoot a bigger deer with more meat....? Hunters evolve over the years, each has to at his own pace. Most will eventually, at some point, come to respect the experience more as they age, and experience hunting, over time and won't feel the need to harvest 15 deer to impress their buddies..Quality, not quanity... Maybe someday you'll understand where I'm coming from....but I doubt it.. nodog you seem to know an awful lot about whats going on here for being a " New Member" with 5 posts. You've really been doing your homework the past couple days since you became a member..
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Post by semisneak on Dec 13, 2006 1:54:18 GMT -5
My opinion is the same as always. I dont see it as a negative term. If everybody only rack hunted our deer population would be out of control. If the dnr didnt want you to shoot bb or fawns your tag would stipulate that.
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Post by semisneak on Dec 13, 2006 2:02:04 GMT -5
Thats true Woody...but if I can only purchase a limited number of tags a year, and I'm hunting for food for the family. I'm gonna wanna shoot the biggest deer, be it doe, buck etc. I can find.Bigger deer equals more meat..I just can't see a guy shooting a 75# button buck or doe and saying " I need the meat" ,..then shoot bigger deer... More bang for your buck!.. No pun intended......LOL A bird in the hand beats two in the bush..........Some guys dont hunt private "managed " land. That doe might be the only deer they see. Bigger deer means more meat but no deer means no meat.
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Post by nodog on Dec 13, 2006 5:21:28 GMT -5
No..I have quality deer becuase I worked hard on managing the land and deer herd on the property I hunt. I'm just offering my opinion. If you don't like what I have to say, thats fine..I'm just offering a different perspective. ( You Said):"Paying attention to my posts could pay off "?? How am I any different from anybody else who has responded with their opinion. Take it or leave it!! nobody is asking you to do anything,,it's a statement.........based on MY opinion...Some guys are happy shooting anything that moves, some choose to be more selective and some won't shoot anything but a trophy deer. If it makes you happy to harvest fawns and yearlings, then keep doing it, but don't complain when you aren't seeing quality bucks on the land you hunt..Not that there is anything wrong with shooting fawns..i guess...if you need the meat.. My opinion was, if you need the meat, why not shoot a bigger deer with more meat....? Hunters evolve over the years, each has to at his own pace. Most will eventually, at some point, come to respect the experience more as they age, and experience hunting, over time and won't feel the need to harvest 15 deer to impress their buddies..Quality, not quanity... Maybe someday you'll understand where I'm coming from....but I doubt it.. nodog you seem to know an awful lot about whats going on here for being a " New Member" with 5 posts. You've really been doing your homework the past couple days since you became a member.. I pay attention. ;D I think you heard me wrong I'm not putting you down, not that kind. Your post was different because you said a guy who hunts for meat shouldn't shoot the small ones, but the bigger ones. A.) You see plenty of deer. B.) The deer you see are mature. It's what I heard in this post, not the usual qdm argument. I'm not that kind. I'm a hunter. Always looking, always watching, always listening, always looking for a weakness to exploit. You hear a noise in the woods you investigate it. The noise your making is of a big mature deer. ;D Indiana's a big state. If I was to ever hunt it and I'm not saying I would, knowing where to start would be very beneficial. Sorry for being so blunt.
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Post by mbogo on Dec 13, 2006 7:18:08 GMT -5
Well said, HH!
Another point to consider is that it makes more sense to kill young does in herd reduction situations than it does to exclusively target older does. You accomplish more herd reduction and fill up the freezer less with each kill.
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Post by ridgerunner on Dec 13, 2006 12:11:15 GMT -5
I agree with taking does to regulate the herds. Just because the State allows me to take 5 does during deer season doesn't mean that's what I need to do, or what is best for my property specifically..You have to take an inventory of your hunting property and figure what's gonna work for you. alot of gun hunters just hit the woods the day of season, don't sight their guns and start blasting whatever deer they see and then your talking with them and they'll say something like " I killed 8 does, couple button bucks, but I didn't see any Big bucks." " I don't know where they're all at"?? Well maybe if you'd be a bit more patient and pass a few deer up you'd get a crack at a bug buck...Those are the guys I'm talking about.You know the guy every year pulls into the checking station with 6 deer totaling 200 pounds combined weight..all smiles, like he's the King of deer hunting, but he can't figure why he never kill a big buck.." then he'll say as an excuse " I'm a meat hunter anyway"..
All I'm trying to offer is a guy having a little more restraint..Any deer hunter knows you can go to the woods ANY given day and take as many fawns and yearing as you have tags for.
So I say let em walk the first week or so. I killed the biggest buck of my life after a button buck walked through and not 1 minute later here comes 155 inch buck following a button buck...figure that out..It pays alot of times to hold out as long as possible, then you can always go back a do the herd managment thing later in the season...Myself I won't shoot a button buck or yearling and I tell my buddies up front not to shoot them on my property or it will be their last time hunting it. But thats just me...Their was a time when I have done the same though, just think it's counter productive in retrospect..
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