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Post by drs on May 5, 2006 9:02:23 GMT -5
I knew this, but I see alot of land purchased, by these folks, that have a "NO HUNTING" sign hanging on a tree.  One such land purchase was on property near Wasington, IN. where my Dad & I use to Squirrel hunt. Went by there, a few years back, and saw their signs.  |
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Post by drs on May 5, 2006 9:07:36 GMT -5
drs - you said to correct you if you were wrong so consider yourself corrected. "all monies" do not go to the general fund. The money from Heritage license plates many folks have goes to a trust fund for land acquisition. There are other examples like the hunting and fishing license fees and some tag fees even the tax write-off on your Indiana return for non-game species go directly to dedicated funds. So basically "all monies" do not go to the general fund. Simply not enough of them go for what sportsmen would like. Keep in mind that there approximately 6.5 million people living in Indiana. Only 6-10% of them hunt. I suspect the other 90% might want to have a say on how the state spends money. Jack P.S. The DNR did not have anything to do with wasting money on Ball parks, new stadiums, stupid $90K Slogans Like: "Restart Your engines". You should try harder to work with DNR instead of slamming them every chance you get. You might even get pistol cartridge rifles that way but not like this because they read these boards everyday. I choose not to respond to this post. Mostly out of respect toward Woody whom I promised NOT to get involved in pointless discussions. I will say though that one of these days you are going to wake up and have no place to hunt unless you own your own land. |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 5, 2006 9:19:27 GMT -5
drs - you said to correct you if you were wrong so consider yourself corrected. "all monies" do not go to the general fund. The money from Heritage license plates many folks have goes to a trust fund for land acquisition. There are other examples like the hunting and fishing license fees and some tag fees even the tax write-off on your Indiana return for non-game species go directly to dedicated funds. So basically "all monies" do not go to the general fund. Simply not enough of them go for what sportsmen would like. Keep in mind that there approximately 6.5 million people living in Indiana. Only 6-10% of them hunt. I suspect the other 90% might want to have a say on how the state spends money. Jack P.S. The DNR did not have anything to do with wasting money on Ball parks, new stadiums, stupid $90K Slogans Like: "Restart Your engines". You should try harder to work with DNR instead of slamming them every chance you get. You might even get pistol cartridge rifles that way but not like this because they read these boards everyday. I choose not to respond to this post. Mostly out of respect toward Woody whom I promised NOT to get involved in pointless discussions. I will say though that one of these days you are going to wake up and have no place to hunt unless you own your own land. "Pointless discussions"are not out of bounds. Silly sometimes, but not out of bounds. What we don't do is personally attack others. We may discuss just about anything our little heart's desire, we just cant call the other guy a blankety blank.. Jack is correct in that the IDNR does "read these boards everyday". A word to the wise...... |
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Post by gundude on May 5, 2006 10:07:17 GMT -5
"Pointless discussions"are not out of bounds. Silly sometimes, but not out of bounds. What we don't do is personally attack others. We may discuss just about anything our little heart's desire, we just cant call the other guy a blankety blank.. [/quote] You sure about that Woody?  |
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Post by Woody Williams on May 5, 2006 21:51:32 GMT -5
Yep... positive..
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Post by jackc99 on May 7, 2006 19:07:09 GMT -5
drs - "pointless" discussion? Not really. You learned that not "all monies" go into the general fund. You learned that the DNR is not responsible for every questionable decision made in the state of Indiana. You may have even learned that DNR monitors these websites to see what folks are talking about. Maybe you've even thought about how you could work with folks at DNR to get your rifle proposal through. I don't see where the discussion is "pointless".
See you at the quarterly NRC meeting,
Jack
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Post by duff on May 7, 2006 19:33:04 GMT -5
So the DNR finalized a purchase of 8000 huntable acres just last year in south western Indiana and now there is complaining that the state is not doing enough to give us places to hunt. The year before that we got Fairbanks Landing in West Central Indiana. Sounds like Indiana hunters are gaining more ground each and every year.
I am pretty satisified with IDNR's efforts to make Indiana hunting better and more accessable.
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Post by drs on May 8, 2006 6:45:47 GMT -5
drs - "pointless" discussion? Not really. You learned that not "all monies" go into the general fund. You learned that the DNR is not responsible for every questionable decision made in the state of Indiana. You may have even learned that DNR monitors these websites to see what folks are talking about. Maybe you've even thought about how you could work with folks at DNR to get your rifle proposal through. I don't see where the discussion is "pointless". See you at the quarterly NRC meeting, Jack Jack, When I said "pointless" I ment to say that I don't want to argue over the internet on some forum issue. Also I've been trying to get the State to legalize the use of pistol cartridge firing rifles in Indiana for over four years now. Thus far it has fallen on deaf ears so I GIVE UP! In addition when I read articles in the local paper like the one below "highlighted" it make me a little mad as I am sure it does others too.
Rumors are flying that a consortium now has or will control thousands of acres of Peabody mine ground near Lynnville, Ind., as a "non-profit organization."
If this is true, a great slice of what should be publically owned has been lost. While neighboring states continue to buy or lease such parcels, the Indiana Department of Natural Resources seems unwilling or unable to pursue such venues. Things might be a little different in Indianapolis and Northern Indiana than things here in the Southern part of the State. Now Jack, I know you are working real hard for the Sportsmen in this State, by keeping us up-to-date on things. I just don't want to get into anymore arguments. I'd rather see more positive reaction taking place.  |
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Post by jackc99 on May 9, 2006 12:32:12 GMT -5
drs - no argument between us that I know of. However I think your efforts on the rifle proposal will be for naught if you give up now. Keep at it and you'll get what you want. This year's proposal was lacking in enough thought and dissatisfied enough people to be called controversial. Therefore they pulled it to rework it for the next package. If you believe in it keep at it don't give up.
As far as getting more land for public access I can tell you that this has been a problem for decades and only in the last 2-3 years have any progress been made. Kyle Hupfer and John Goss before him made great strides with the addition of Goose Pond, Ravinia Woods and Fairbanks Landing. Those 3 properties added over 10,000 acres to the public access rolls that weren't there before so I got to think they are trying very hard. Money talks and that's what it takes to do these projects. I expect at least one more big one in the next year but have no idea where or how big.
We can help by supporting IDNR and educating ourselves in their processes and in the legislature. Remember when they started raiding the various budgets back in the O'Bannon era? The first place they went was the IDNR budget. We have to work together to keep this from happening and make the legislature and governor understand the importance of these lands.
There's lots more I could type about but I'd rather go turkey hunting. Unfortnately I have to work on the next FWCC meeting and see what we can do about helping IDNR getting their proposals through the next NRC meeting. Everybody write the various NRC members if you support a particular proposal this year. I know it's no fun but we have to invest the time. energy and money to support the DNR or the politicians will take it all away.
(Jack steps off the soapbox and gets back to work)
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Post by drs on May 9, 2006 13:22:43 GMT -5
Thanks Jack! Looks like we all have our work cut out for us. On the pistol cartridge firing rifles being made legal here in Indiana; I'll still support that idea, even though on the various forums here in Indiana, and Hunters, I am uncertain if they really want to see this happen. It seems like everytime I bring up the topic and "TRY" to share a little technical data; for every positive response to my postings I receive ten negative responses. After a while this becomes very discuraging. Also there has been a great deal of posts that seem rather insulting toward me. Now concerning the States leasing or purchasing more land for public use; I still believe that if willing landowners and Farmers are given a tax break like the big companies, in exchange for allowing the state to manage unused protions of their land for public use, I think this would be a good thing. But again I receive mixed feeling concerning this idea. |
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Post by dmduck on May 9, 2006 15:58:23 GMT -5
DRS....I'd love to see Indiana build a program much along the lines of the Kansas and Iowa Public Use Habitat ......... so yes there are ways to do it and the farmer could break even if not make a few dollors at it .
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Post by jackc99 on May 9, 2006 19:16:35 GMT -5
I did a quick review of the Kansas Walk-in Program and they have over 1 million acres enrolled in 2005. Could we use a million more acres to hunt in Indiana? How about 1/10 of that? The trick is funding. How do we get landowners to "lease" land to the state for public access? And where do we get the money? Answer these questions and we could do it!!!!
Jack
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Post by drs on May 10, 2006 7:11:40 GMT -5
I did a quick review of the Kansas Walk-in Program and they have over 1 million acres enrolled in 2005. Could we use a million more acres to hunt in Indiana? How about 1/10 of that? The trick is funding. How do we get landowners to "lease" land to the state for public access? And where do we get the money? Answer these questions and we could do it!!!!Jack This would be possible if the State of Indiana (or any State) would stop looting the State's "bank account" for Pork barrel stupid ideas. I am certain Landowners & Farmers would welcome Tax abatements in exchange for sound conservation pratices for wildlife, on their property, for public use. BUT they must WANT to participate. |
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Post by dmduck on May 10, 2006 15:36:19 GMT -5
How about a Public Use Stamp, much like a Game Bird Habitat Stamp ...... the money to be used for Private Land Leases ..... you have the stamp or get a citation for not having one on the property . What $5 ...$6.75 .....$10 ?
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Post by drs on May 11, 2006 6:48:36 GMT -5
How about a Public Use Stamp, much like a Game Bird Habitat Stamp ...... the money to be used for Private Land Leases ..... you have the stamp or get a citation for not having one on the property . What $5 ...$6.75 .....$10 ? GREAT IDEA! |
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Post by duff on May 12, 2006 21:40:07 GMT -5
I did a quick review of the Kansas Walk-in Program and they have over 1 million acres enrolled in 2005. Could we use a million more acres to hunt in Indiana? How about 1/10 of that? The trick is funding. How do we get landowners to "lease" land to the state for public access? And where do we get the money? Answer these questions and we could do it!!!!Jack This would be possible if the State of Indiana (or any State) would stop looting the State's "bank account" for Pork barrel stupid ideas. I am certain Landowners & Farmers would welcome Tax abatements in exchange for sound conservation pratices for wildlife, on their property, for public use. BUT they must WANT to participate. Tax break on ag land doesn't give much benifit as they don't pay much in tax dollars as it is. Especially compaired to an average home owners portion. I am sure it wouldn't hurt though. Most people don't like paying any taxes, period. The stamp idea is a valid idea, that I am sure most hunters would love to take advantage of. |
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Post by jackc99 on May 15, 2006 9:42:42 GMT -5
Something you need to keep in mind is that the various state department budgets are submitted 2 years in advance. If the state is unaware of of an opportunity like this one then basically there is no money set aside for such a purchase. The Goose Pond purchase took over 10 years to complete so they had a lot of time to move on that one. There is no extra money lying around the state coffers...trust me.
I like the idea of a Public Use Stamp. Hopefully the DNR will pick up on this idea from this forum.
Jack
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One such land purchase was on property near Wasington, IN. where my Dad & I use to Squirrel hunt. Went by there, a few years back, and saw their signs. 
