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Post by jackc99 on Oct 30, 2005 9:42:10 GMT -5
Forestry - get the word out to support the IDNR forest initiative to cut in the state forests. More cuts mean more wildlife so support IDNR in this. Also enforcement warns folks to watch for a rise in eco-terrorism so they need help catching the tree spikers, etc. DNR staff has already recived threats from the environmental community over the plan.
Goose Pond - as most of you know by now the dedication of the Goose Pond will take place Tuesday the 8th with the Governor in attendance. 8,000 new acres for us to play in.
Rules - the new administartive rules package (including landowner restrictions and the famous turtle package) will go to public hearing on November 29, 2005 at 5:00 PM at Atterbury FWA. Please comment as this is your last chance.
Bellar - status of his herd is unknown. Family wants to get rid of it and they do not have a game breeders license anymore. We are down to 10 operating facilities in Indiana.
Lawsuit - IDNR will go against Rodney Bruce Monday, October 31, 2005. It's Halloween guys. Look out.
Recruit school - as Woody posted elsewhere the IDNR is looking for a few good men (and gals). They will need 25 new officers to replace retirements by summer 2007. Drop me a PM if you are interested.
License fee increase - yup, again. Fishing this time. It will be a couple of bucks to the fishing license and combo licenses probably take effect in 2007.
NRC - next regular meeting is November 15, 2005 at 10 AM at the Harrison in Indianapolis.
Atterbury range - going forward but will take the range out for a year at least. Estimated cost has been revised upwards to $4,600,000 but no taxpayer money will be used.
State Fair - the IDNR exhibit at the state fair is being redone and the area behind the building will have a fishing pond to introduce kids to fishing. Looking for volunteers.
Archery in the schools - is growing by leaps and bounds. Turkey Federation guys dedicated $10,000 to the program each year to get this going. Time for others to step up and make this a success.
Youth - Deer season next year. Youth free hunting week-end next year. Turkey season? Maybe next year but likely the year after. New youth camp? The corporate movers and shakers are the secret to this one. Could happen vey soon and is at the top of Kyle's list.
And this is how I spent my Saturday in October.
Jack
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Post by duff on Oct 30, 2005 12:04:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the updates.
I might have missed something but what is the famous turtle package?
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 30, 2005 12:34:30 GMT -5
Thanks ever so much for updating us Jack
It is truly appreciated..
Anyplace that we can comment on line about the administrative rules package?
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Post by drs on Oct 30, 2005 13:59:54 GMT -5
Thanks very much for the updates, Jack!
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Post by jackc99 on Oct 30, 2005 20:35:05 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you can do online comments regarding the entire rules package. Let me see if I can find a link.
Jack
EDIT: Okay I have her phone number - Linnea Petercheff at 317-233-6527. She will take your comments or you can ask where to post online.
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Post by jackc99 on Oct 30, 2005 20:41:47 GMT -5
duff - if you attended the last administrative rules change meeting in Indianapolis in 2004 you would have met the "turtle lady". Trust me it was a hoot. Bottomline is that you can no longer remove eastern box turtles from the wild. None. Nada. Nobody. No how. No way. The great Oz has spoken
Jack
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Post by duff on Oct 30, 2005 21:30:37 GMT -5
;D
Figured there was something to it.
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Post by jackc99 on Oct 30, 2005 23:53:08 GMT -5
Much ado about nothing for me.
Jack
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 31, 2005 4:47:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the update Jack!
It sure is nice getting this info, without making a game of it.
Your time and efforts are very much appreciated!
Now a question:................
Is this the same "administrative rules process" that I remember from two or so years back?
If the answer is "yes",.........It seems to me that there was a WHOLE LOT more public fan fare in the rules process from a few years ago. Did the new administration change the process?
Forestry -
Has anyone proposed a "season" on eco-terrorists? Hunting is the best way to control populations, isn't a "terrorists" a terrorists". your either "with us" or with the terrorists.
Goose Pond -
Anyone got the terra server link to this area?
Rules -
What are the "landowner restrictions"
Bellar -
If they don't do something FAST, there are gonna be 2-3 times more deer in there come May! What a mess!
Lawsuit -
Thats just the initial hearing isn't it? If the judge don't throw it out the actual trial type of hearing will be later?...?....(thats a question)
Recruit school -
They actually NEED more than that!
License fee increase -
I seen a comment once that said when they raise the price of hunting license, they ALWAYS see a little drop off in number of license sold. However when fishing license are raised, they don't normally see the same reaction. Sure wish they would pass the senior citizen fishing license, the lack of thereof is costing Hoosier sporting folks millions of $$$$...!
Atterbury range -
Great News...Isn't some of that money comming from Indiana's share of the Pittman-Robertson Fund?
State Fair -
As long as our hunters ed requirements stay the same, they should be doing something at the fair to promote getting folks certified. Have they ever held hunters ed classes at the fair?
Archery in the schools -
Great Program....The ATA is also very dedicated to this cause.
Youth -
LONG, LONG overdue!!!!!............This is the single most POSITIVE regulation change in Indiana in 15+ years! Who's gonna fill your shoes?
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Post by jackc99 on Oct 31, 2005 10:38:51 GMT -5
Camby - the new administration views the administrative rules process differently than the previous administration. No surprise there. There is an opportunity for public comment as I posted. The law only stipulates that public input be allowed not the form or detail in which that input takes place.
Landowner restriction - you gotta live on the land.
Bellar - today's action is a pre-trial hearing with the involved parties. I was surprised to hear that the family wanted to get rid of the herd.
Recruit school - they spent the recruit school money on Hurricane Katrina ($500,000). They should get most of it back but it takes that much to get 25 officers ready and into the field and it does not include the equipment, etc. needed for each officer.
License fee increase - the AARP even endorses the senior fishing license so why not get it done and get some money back from the feds?
Atterbury range - money is coming from a couple of different sources but not directly from taxes.
I thought you were going to fill my shoes when I give this all up?
Jack
P.S. Hunter's Ed will sonn be all on-line.Very soon I'm told.
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Post by cambygsp on Nov 1, 2005 7:26:48 GMT -5
Jack,
Can you elaborate any more on the landowner exempt restrictions?
If you must reside on the land that you are license exempt to hunt on, that sure addresses the issue of "showing proof".....as your drivers license or state issued I.D. would show an address pretty close to the spot your hunting.
I can sure see how there has been TONS of abuse and questions.
When a hunter checks in a Washington County killed deer, and shows their address as Marion County, and "says" they are landowner exempt...well you know.
I have also been advised of a recent problem encountered when a ICO is conducting an investigation in regards to a hunter being landowner exempt.
A popular method in buying UN-improved land is a "land contract". Many times the seller is not willing to change the name on the deed, untill the contract is PAID IN FULL.
Therefore the "buyer" who is making payments to the "seller", is actually the one who has possession of the land, but ALL the legal descriptions of the land still show the "seller" as the owner....Could the "buyer" and "seller" BOTH hunt under the landowner exemption on said land....under the current regulations?
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Post by gundude on Nov 1, 2005 7:53:59 GMT -5
Therefore the "buyer" who is making payments to the "seller", is actually the one who has possession of the land, but ALL the legal descriptions of the land still show the "seller" as the owner....Could the "buyer" and "seller" BOTH hunt under the landowner exemption on said land....under the current regulations?
NOWAY.... that would like buying a house under contract and the SELLER has the right to live there and do whatever until its paid in full.......
The only thing you should have to "prove" is WHO you are as far as I am concerned. Then the burden of land ownership should fall on the accuser.
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Post by Woody Williams on Nov 1, 2005 8:59:10 GMT -5
..... The only thing you should have to "prove" is WHO you are as far as I am concerned. Then the burden of land ownership should fall on the accuser. Yep... we are still supposedly living in the land of "innocent until proven guilty". |
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Post by cambygsp on Nov 1, 2005 10:13:06 GMT -5
So then...if a OCO asks for a license....then the acceptable response would be "yep! I got a license....if you don't think I do then PROVE otherwise"
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Post by gundude on Nov 1, 2005 12:03:36 GMT -5
So then...if a OCO asks for a license....then the acceptable response would be "yep! I got a license....if you don't think I do then PROVE otherwise" Nope, the RIGHT answer would be THIS is who I am, here is my drivers license and I OWN this ground. If you like you can check the records at the county court house or you can stop my my home later this evening for a cup of coffee and I'll show you the deed. Now if you will excuse me I got some hunting to do..... NOW if it turns out you lied, then he has your DL number and address and he can come an take you to the county pen. |
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Post by jackc99 on Nov 1, 2005 13:00:05 GMT -5
Camby - without typing out the proposed rule I can't elaborate on the landowner restrictions. I'm sure IDNR will post them on their site soon. Check there.
Jack
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Post by cambygsp on Nov 1, 2005 17:50:50 GMT -5
OK Thanks Jack!
I am looking forward to reading more about it.
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Post by jackc99 on Nov 1, 2005 20:03:57 GMT -5
Here's the gist of it:
312IAC9-2-14 is amended to read as follows:
Sec. 1. (a) An owner or a lessee of farmland and a family member of the owner or lessee, if exempted under IC 14-22-11-1 may fish, hunt, or trap on the farmland without obtaining a license under this article.
(b) For farmland owned or leased by a corporation, limited liabilty company, partnership, or another person other than an individual or individuals, the license exemption applies only to an individual living on the farmland.
Jack
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Post by cambygsp on Nov 2, 2005 0:31:59 GMT -5
WOW!
If this passes they will need to do a major P-R campaing to inform the folks.
I remember a conservation from about 2 years ago, on one of these sites, where we were discussing landowner exemptions. The conservation revolved around land that was deeded to a corporation and "who" as far as stockholders and officers qualified for the exemption.
An e-mail was sent to the department and the response was that ONLY the president or CEO of the corporation can qualify for the exemption.....BOY!....that sure raised some hairs!
I personaly think the landowner exemption was designed for a "ACTUAL" farmer....livestock & grain...that lived on the property. I don't think in their WILDEST imagination they ever thought that folks would be buying up land, just for deer hunting, and taking advantage of a landowner exemption.
When folks DON"T purchase hunting license it is about MORE than the $24.00.
It's about the Indiana receiving a smaller portion of the federal Pittman-Robertson fund. The number of licensed hunters in a state is a great determining factor as to how much of that fund that state will get.
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Post by mbogo on Nov 3, 2005 7:23:15 GMT -5
That is perhaps the best news in a long list of pretty good news.
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