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Post by jackc99 on Sept 20, 2005 12:11:46 GMT -5
Youth Deer Season for next year was preliminary approved by the Natural Resources Commission today. Now it goes to public hearing and most likely we will have it next September. One change of interest - any legal weapon is allowed.
Jack
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 20, 2005 14:46:42 GMT -5
Youth Deer Season for next year was preliminary approved by the Natural Resources Commission today. Now it goes to public hearing and most likely we will have it next September. One change of interest - any legal weapon is allowed. Jack That is great, Jack. Thanks for all you do.. I still think it should be any deer also.. After all they are DEER hunting...
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Post by reynoldss on Sept 20, 2005 15:42:21 GMT -5
This is an awesome opportunity to get "new blood" into deer hunting. I too would like to see our youth have the opportunity to take either sex, but am thrilled none the less so have the opportunity to take my nephews and my duaghters hunting during a time when weather is more likely to be calm, deer are less pressured, and the entire hunt is all about them.
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Post by cambygsp on Sept 20, 2005 16:55:09 GMT -5
Yes!
Thanks Jack, I know you put alot of effort into this, It can only grow from here!
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Post by jackc99 on Sept 21, 2005 0:01:08 GMT -5
Woody - maybe we can revisit this soon and change it to any deer. But first let's make what we got a success and then expand on it. Turkeys next!!!
Jack
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Post by cambygsp on Sept 21, 2005 7:14:15 GMT -5
I don't think it's gonna take long for this event to grow and expand. It STILL amazes me that ANYONE or ANY group (that considers themselves "pro-hunting") would oppose this effort.
I guess you got to take the good with the bad.....but Jack.....
Please give us an example of how you would respond to a 11 or 12 year old kid when they ask.........
"How come I can only shoot antlerless deer?"
Do you think a 11 or 12 year old kid would REALLY understand modern deer management?
There can ONLY be two possible answers........
The management issue
or
Older folks don't WANT *you* shooting "their" bucks.
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Post by jackc99 on Sept 21, 2005 9:31:16 GMT -5
Camby - tell them the truth. There are rules established for the common good. Little kids under 16 are allowed to hunt early but they can't shoot the big kids' deer. It teaches the little kids responsibility and ethics. Moreover we wouldn't be able to get this done if we didn't appease the big kids.
It's a reflection of the world we live in and will be the law. It's a start. It's more, much more, than we have today and if safe and successful will lead to greater opportunities for the those "little" kids.
Hunt on, Jack
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 21, 2005 13:38:39 GMT -5
Camby - tell them the truth. There are rules established for the common good. Little kids under 16 are allowed to hunt early but they can't shoot the big kids' deer. It teaches the little kids responsibility and ethics. Moreover we wouldn't be able to get this done if we didn't appease the big kids. It's a reflection of the world we live in and will be the law. It's a start. It's more, much more, than we have today and if safe and successful will lead to greater opportunities for the those "little" kids. Hunt on, Jack I agree.. It is a foot in the door.. Down the road we can lobby just let them hunt without a gender restriction.
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Post by dec on Sept 21, 2005 21:48:24 GMT -5
Yea baby!
In a couple years my oldest daughter will be deer hunting. I think this is absolutely a great opportunity.
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Post by cambygsp on Sept 21, 2005 22:17:06 GMT -5
So it's NOT a management issue? ?
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Post by cambygsp on Sept 21, 2005 22:22:22 GMT -5
I disagree Jack, I don't think it's a reflection of the "world" we live in....it's a reflection on the "state" we live in. Can you name one other state that has a youth deer hunt, that restricts the youths to antlerless only?....I don't know, do you? You sat on the committee Jack, can you let the cat out of the bag on how we ended up with a "antlerless only" youth hunt? Did someone (or group) oppose a either sex hunt, were there minutes of the meeting recorded, and are those minutes available to the public? Thanks in advance!
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Post by jackc99 on Sept 21, 2005 22:42:16 GMT -5
Camby - Not a public meeting. That's all you get from me. Be excited for what we got and leave it be.
Jack
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Post by kevin1 on Sept 22, 2005 5:03:42 GMT -5
Great news ! Many thanks to Jack and all the others who worked so hard to make it happen .
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Post by cambygsp on Sept 22, 2005 7:06:42 GMT -5
Thanks Jack, I understand, I can get the information from other sources.
Can you shed a little light on the process from here.
When will the public input/hearing be ?
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Post by reynoldss on Sept 22, 2005 8:19:40 GMT -5
Jack...Has a youth hunt ever made it this far before in Indiana? My assumption is that it could still be shot down depending on the public input/hearing meetings. Is that correct? If so, I too would like to have info on when and where these meetings will take place. Thank you for taking the time to answer these questions. Have a great day!!!
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 22, 2005 9:21:23 GMT -5
Remember folks this is still in a PROPOSAL stage.. If you want it to happen you need to respond at the meetings. Not sure if they will set up an email address for reponses or not. If I find out that they have I'll post it up.
Draft #3 (August 31, 2005) TITLE 312 NATURAL RESOURCES COMMISSION
Proposed Rule LSA Document #05-
DIGEST
Amends 312 IAC 9-3 concerning hunting of white-tailed deer during a special youth deer hunting season. Effective 30 days after filing with the secretary of state.
312 IAC 9-3-2.5
SECTION 1. 312 IAC 9-3-2.5 IS ADDED TO READ AS FOLLOWS:
312 IAC 9-3-2.5 Hunting deer during special youth season
Authority: IC 14-22-2-6 Affected: IC 14-22-11-1; IC 14-22-12
(a) This section is supplemental to section 2 of this rule and governs the activities of an individual youth who is either:
(1) issued a license to hunt deer under IC 14-22-12-1(22); or
(2) hunting deer under IC 14-22-11-1.
As used in this section, "youth" means an individual who is age fifteen (15) or younger by the date of the hunt.
(b) The season for hunting deer under this section is two (2) consecutive days beginning on the Saturday immediately prior to October 1 or as approved annually by the director.
(c) The seasonal limit for hunting deer under this section is one (1) antlerless deer.
(d) A youth who hunts a deer under this section must be age fifteen (15) or younger and be accompanied by an adult of at least eighteen (18) years of age. An adult accompanying the youth hunter must not possess a firearm, bow and arrow, or crossbow while in the field and shall not be required to possess a deer hunting license.
(e) A youth hunter must not hunt deer except from one-half (½) hour before sunrise to one-half (½) hour after sunset.
(f) A youth hunter must not hunt deer unless wearing hunter orange. An adult accompanying the youth hunter must wear hunter orange while in the field.
(g) A youth must not hunt a deer under this section with any type of equipment except a firearm or bow and arrow, including a crossbow. A youth must not possess more than one type of equipment to take a deer while in the field.
(h) The following requirements apply to the use of firearms under this section:
(1) A shotgun must have a gauge 10, 12, 16, 20, or .410 bore loaded with a single projectile. A shotgun may be possessed in the field outside lawful shooting hours only if there are no shells in the chamber or magazine.
(2) A muzzle loading gun must be .44 caliber or larger, loaded with a bullet at least .357 inch or larger. A muzzle loading handgun must be single shot, .50 caliber or larger, loaded with bullets at least .44 caliber and have a barrel at least twelve (12) inches long. The length of a muzzle loading handgun barrel is determined by measuring from the base of the breech plug, excluding tangs and other projections, to the end of the barrel, including the muzzle crown. A muzzle loading gun must be capable of being loaded only from the muzzle, including both powder and bullet. A muzzle loading gun may be possessed in the field outside lawful shooting hours only if:
(A) for percussion firearms, the cap or primer is removed from the nipple or primer adapter; or (B) for flintlock firearms, the pan is not primed. (3) Over-and-under combination rifle-shotguns are prohibited.
(i) The following requirements apply to the use of archery equipment under this section:
(1) No person shall use a long bow or compound bow of less than thirty-five (35) pounds pull.
(2) Arrows must be equipped with metal or metal-edged (or flint, chert, or obsidian napped) broadheads.
(3) Poisoned or explosive arrows are unlawful.
(4) Bows drawn, held, or released other than by hand or hand-held releases are unlawful.
(5) A long bow or compound bow may be possessed in the field before and after lawful shooting hours only if the nock of the arrow is not placed on the bow string.
(6) No portion of the bow’s riser (handle) or any: (A) track; (B) trough; (C) channel; (D) arrow rest; or (E) other device;
that attaches to the bow’s riser shall contact, support, or guide the arrow from a point rearward of the bow’s brace height.
(j) The following requirements apply to the use of a crossbow under this section:
(1) No youth shall use a crossbow:
(A) of less than one hundred twenty-five (125) pounds pull; and
(B) that does not have a mechanical safety.
(2) A crossbow may be possessed in the field before and after lawful shooting hours only if the nock of the arrow is not placed on the bow string.
(k) As used in this section, “crossbow” means a device for propelling an arrow by means of traverse limbs mounted on a stock and a string and having a working safety. The crossbow may be drawn, held, and released by a mechanical device.
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Post by jackc99 on Sept 22, 2005 9:43:32 GMT -5
No, a proposal for a youth season has never gotten this far and Kyle Hupfer deserves all the credit. The rules on a public hearing are unclear at this point (to me anyway) but I will post it here when I learn of it.
Jack
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Post by reynoldss on Sept 23, 2005 12:49:23 GMT -5
Thankyou...I will be looking forward to your post on the rules of the public hearing.
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