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Post by indianahick on Oct 17, 2006 9:38:12 GMT -5
Ohio- do not know do not care.
I would rather read and learn from D&D than managment (we sell feed) advantage. What you do not think all of them hunting shows are just for your entertainment? They are all there to sell something, from calls to trucks. Look at Keith Warren and Hank Parker they are both out there hawking feed and feed supplements.
If you want larger deer do not shoot smaller deer. Set out food plots, fence your private area if you have one.
As for our seasons, I do not believe that the placement nor the length is bad. Since most of the hunters during firearms are only out there the first two weekend and maybe Thanksgiving: if they are willing to give up their televisions and football, many do not. There are some out there in the evenings but not all that many. Like someone else said they go out and see a deer and shoot it, then they can go back to work and brag about the deer they killed, whether it was a fork horn or a 8 point. Me personally I hunt big doe, and bucks by body size not head gear. Like Sunday I seen a beautiful sized buck, looked like he went 200 plus, did he have antlers, yes, how big, how many, what would he score, I have no idea but I do remember that he has some. 200 lb deer should give me about 125 of hamberger. YUM.
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Post by hoyt1166 on Oct 17, 2006 10:10:04 GMT -5
Ohio- do not know do not care. I would rather read and learn from D&D than managment (we sell feed) advantage. What you do not think all of them hunting shows are just for your entertainment? They are all there to sell something, from calls to trucks. Look at Keith Warren and Hank Parker they are both out there hawking feed and feed supplements. If you want larger deer do not shoot smaller deer. Set out food plots, fence your private area if you have one. As for our seasons, I do not believe that the placement nor the length is bad. Since most of the hunters during firearms are only out there the first two weekend and maybe Thanksgiving: if they are willing to give up their televisions and football, many do not. There are some out there in the evenings but not all that many. Like someone else said they go out and see a deer and shoot it, then they can go back to work and brag about the deer they killed, whether it was a fork horn or a 8 point. Me personally I hunt big doe, and bucks by body size not head gear. Like Sunday I seen a beautiful sized buck, looked like he went 200 plus, did he have antlers, yes, how big, how many, what would he score, I have no idea but I do remember that he has some. 200 lb deer should give me about 125 of hamberger. YUM. I watch the shows and read the magazines for what they are: entertainment. If I want to learn something, I go out in the woods or utilize one of my books from college. I am a little curious.....if you saw two bucks that weighed the same and offered the same shot but one had a great set of antlers and the other didn't, which one would you shoot assuming all things were equal?
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Post by js2397 on Oct 17, 2006 11:01:06 GMT -5
I like to read deer and deer hunting because they publish a lot of studies. There is a pretty good one in the current issue about breeding rights that was conducted my Mississippi State University I believe.
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Post by huxbux on Oct 17, 2006 11:39:04 GMT -5
Posted by lugnutz on Yesterday at 10:49pm
I like #1-4 and #7, but can't live with #5 and #6. IMHO, antler restrictions would be a disaster, and please, oh please don't shorten the firearm season. I guarantee that will lower the harvest numbers, and that's NOT what we need.
Posted by dec on Today at 7:57am
I couldn't agree more with decs statement. Where I hunt, it's very thick, and very hilly. By the time I see a deer, he's already on top of my position. No time to count antler points. You gotta be close, have a totally unobstructed view,and have a perfect angle on the deer in order to count points. Well nigh impossible under the conditions I hunt in. The darn deer just won't present themselves for measured observation for any length of time. I have never been positive of the point count on a deer I've shot until I walk up to it. Antler restrictions? NO WAY!
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Post by hoyt1166 on Oct 17, 2006 13:11:14 GMT -5
And what it all boils down to is there will always be a group that are in someway disgruntled with the regulations. Doesn't matter what you propose, someone is always going to be unhappy.
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Post by Decatur on Oct 17, 2006 13:31:18 GMT -5
And what it all boils down to is there will always be a group that are in someway disgruntled with the regulations. Doesn't matter what you propose, someone is always going to be unhappy. Di-rectly from the mouths of babes! (Uncle Roman, [Dan Ackroyd]The Great Outdoors)
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Post by hoyt1166 on Oct 17, 2006 13:47:07 GMT -5
And what it all boils down to is there will always be a group that are in someway disgruntled with the regulations. Doesn't matter what you propose, someone is always going to be unhappy. Di-rectly from the mouths of babes! (Uncle Roman, [Dan Ackroyd]The Great Outdoors) Dude, you don't think I'm a babe, do you? If so, I'm avoiding that part of the state altogether ;D
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Post by Decatur on Oct 17, 2006 14:04:17 GMT -5
Dang it!! Ousted again! ! ! ! ;d
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Post by hunter480 on Oct 17, 2006 16:14:56 GMT -5
And what it all boils down to is there will always be a group that are in someway disgruntled with the regulations. Doesn't matter what you propose, someone is always going to be unhappy. For what it`s worth-I was completely satisfied with the regulations before some groups limited my hunting opportunities by yanking away the chance to kill 2 bucks per season.
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Post by hoyt1166 on Oct 17, 2006 16:21:52 GMT -5
Dang it!! Ousted again! ! ! ! ;d Don't you mean "outed" again? How is life in the big city these days?
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Post by racktracker on Oct 17, 2006 19:06:32 GMT -5
My AR proposition would be as follows: 1.) Make the firearm tag either sex. I agree, but this has nothing to do with ARs. I agree 200%. I agree 100% . I agree 100% BZZZTT! No way.. Point antler restrictions will NOT protect a large amount of yearling bucks in Indiana. We have great genetics and habitat that can produce 5 or 6 points the very first year of a buck's life. Width restrictions are way to hard to judge, especialy from the side. You want bigger bucks? Educate the deer hunters on what is and what isn't a mature buck. Leaves sizes of antlers out of it. BZZZT!! Shorten the firerams season and people will be LESS selective. Why are bowhunters more selective now? Because they have 3 months to kill a buck. Too many deer hunters have a sliding trophy scale and take a lesser buck towards the end of the season. Make that season end quicker and they drop the hammer quicker on a lesser buck. Simple. . Hmmm... let me think on that one. And we all have thoughts.
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Post by lugnutz on Oct 17, 2006 19:53:47 GMT -5
Now Dec, we all know your a trophy hunter, you can't honestly say you have a hard time judging if a deer has 5 or 6 points? I'm sure their will be in/unintentionally shot bucks, but don't you think alot of that happens already, that is with the OBR? I don't think you can honestly say that johnny deer hunter that bagged a fork won't shoot a bigger deer later in the season when it passes. Didn't people complain about the 3inch requirement of a spike buck? Now days, you don't hear to many people gripe about that rule. I'm sure their are times where a hunter shoots a small spike on the run or from a distance that believes he's shooting a doe. More than likely that hunter may break those spikes off just to tag it as a doe. Lowering and maintaining the buck herd to a lower level IS what we need. I do believe thats what the OBR was set out to accomplish. Education is a major factor, and i couldn't agree more. But we are haveing a hard enough time Educating our children in school, more or less educating people on whats a mature deer or not. You also state that AR will not protect a large amount of yearling bucks in our state, and it may not i don't know for sure. But i do know that it WILL protect more than what we currently have or what we had prior to. Correct me if i'm wrong! How would they be less selective, the majority of deer are taken the first two weekends of gun season. Your right about alot of deer hunters have a sliding trophy scale, this is why you make a minimum AR. Maybe as you suggested Education to hunters would help, but it wouldn't help that last day of gun season when the forkie comes running by. For this very reason is why we need to make the firearms tag an either sex tag. For those that fill the need to kill something, regardless of size. I feel that if it were either sex johnny deer hunter wouldn't shoot the maybe 5 point maybe 6 and just take the doe instead. Lug
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Post by huxbux on Oct 17, 2006 21:53:20 GMT -5
Didn't realize there was such a thing as a "buck herd". In any case, why would you want to lower the buck numbers? Doing so would do nothing toward managing the deer herd. No, the OBR was instituted due to pressure from certain groups. It has no biological purpose whatsoever, as stated by our own state deer biologists.
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Post by indianahick on Oct 17, 2006 22:15:05 GMT -5
Not everyone went to college and got a bunch of books that may or may not be totally accurate. From what I have heard most college manuals are squed by whom ever wrote them.
As for the record books- they all should be abolished. Record books do not seem to do much more that create cheaters that want their names in them.
That's all folks I hereby quit. At least here.
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Post by greenhunter5364 on Oct 17, 2006 23:21:12 GMT -5
I hunt bucks, big bucks. I don't have to kill a buck every year to be happy as I shoot several Does to fill my freezer, but if I'm gonna kill a buck, it must be one I want to spend the money to have mounted by my Taxidermist. You gotta let the little bucks walk and grow even if it means your neighbor will shoot him tomorrow when he crosses the fence on to his place. Once thats done, the rest of the little bucks should be safe from him for the rest of the year. It's a strategy that works.
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Post by Decatur on Oct 18, 2006 6:10:31 GMT -5
Dang it!! Ousted again! ! ! ! ;d Don't you mean "outed" again? How is life in the big city these days? Rolling along. ;D
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