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Post by chicobrownbear on Apr 11, 2008 11:26:33 GMT -5
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Post by 76chevy on Apr 11, 2008 11:29:34 GMT -5
because he is controversial and provacative and that SELLS newspapers!
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Post by swilk on Apr 11, 2008 11:41:39 GMT -5
How long before .........
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 11, 2008 12:07:38 GMT -5
But in this case, he is RIGHT...
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Apr 11, 2008 14:08:46 GMT -5
But in this case, he is RIGHT... Bullseye!!!!!
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Post by Hawkeye on Apr 11, 2008 14:18:15 GMT -5
Wait a minute,Not EVERY one can purchase a gun at a gun show.Don says whatever helps him sell guns. I would not buy a gun from Don, even if he would ever have a good deal.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 11, 2008 15:33:19 GMT -5
The way I read what Don (who I don't know) said, is that the NICS laws are onerous and bogus - because no matter who or what you are, you can still buy a gun F2F either at a gunshow or on a street corner...
And that's not going to change - even if they make it "illegal".
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2008 17:49:14 GMT -5
NICS's requirements are a very small price to pay by those of us that want to buy guns from dealers. If we can keep gun sales at a legit dealers from being a target of the anti-gun movement by having NICS, it's well worth the small amount of hassle it creates.
We can not let the public see that we condone bad guys and or certified nut jobs from buying guns from legal gun dealers or even from gun shows. If we do, then we will lose more firearm liberties in the end.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 11, 2008 18:07:00 GMT -5
A Right Regulated is not a Right - it is a Privilege. Maybe I just never learned how to read, but IIRC it is NOT the "privilege to keep & bear arms" What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2008 19:26:44 GMT -5
Common sense and the law of the land says that "shall not be infringed" cannot be allowed for everyone, including felons, insane people, etc. Everyone is born with the "right" but some end up losing it because of their behavior in society.
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Post by Russ Koon on Apr 12, 2008 0:25:32 GMT -5
timex, By the government's own figures, the percentage of guns that were used in crimes by their legal buyers is just around 20%. That means that the other 80% were obtained by other than legal means. Whether they were stolen, bought on the street, supplied by a partner in crime, whatever. Those purchases will not be affected by any restrictions on legitimate gun dealers.
Enforcement of the laws against illegal transfers are a joke now, and will become even more so the more legal dealers are driven out of business by restrictions and paperwork.
Another thread on this forum has the news about a large quantity of heroin just seized. The mere possession of this drug by anyone is a felony, but it is still traded in quantities that fill a car trunk, despite the "War on Drugs" that has been waged by local and state police, the FDA, and other agencies at great expense for many years and the fact that drug-sniffing dogs can be used pretty effectively to locate the contraband.
How many times more difficult would it be to stop the illegal trade in an item that can be made in small quantities on a kitchen table with small tools, doesn't have an odor that would tip off a dog, and provides the buyer with not just a temporary high, but with an advantage that will allow him to rob or muder without the victim being able to effectively defend himself?
No, guns in the wrong hands are here to stay. The more the gun-grabbers try to stop violence by taking away weapons, the more important and useful the weapon becomes to the criminal, because the fewer will be the law-abiding citizens who will go to the trouble or risk prosecution in order to provide protection against the illegal use of guns.
And the more they shut down legal weapon availability, the higher will go the profit margin for the illegal supplier. The pattern has been well established and proven in the cases of alcohol during prohibition, and drugs since they were made illegal. Neither prohibition stopped the trade they were designed to stop, and both created or benefitted the business of illegal supply.
The most effective answer to the situation is to allow the right hands to be filled with a gun as well, if the honest person wishes to take on the responsibility of defending himself and other innocent victims of the criminal element, or predatory animals or other non-human threats. The guns are already in the hands of the people we really don't want to have them. Arming the victim will not make the situation worse.
The scary threat of those with serious mental problems or violent criminal intent being able to buy their gun legally, rather than getting it by other means like 80% of their guns are already obtained, does NOT justify the death of one of our most important freedoms.
I suppose many of those who keep pushing for additional restrictions on gun purchases are well-meaning folks who actually believe that such measures would have a positive effect. They are mistaken. It takes more than good intentions to make good legislation.
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Post by 76chevy on Apr 12, 2008 7:51:36 GMT -5
Very nice post, Russ
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 12, 2008 14:17:54 GMT -5
Common sense and the law of the land says that "shall not be infringed" cannot be allowed for everyone, including felons, insane people, etc. "The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. " - Ayn Rand The only reason you aren't in jail or charged with a "felony" right now is because nobody has found you interesting enough... yet. Bull. When peoplestart having their vocal cords paralyzed for commiting Slandar (or "shouting fire in a theater") and/or their fingers broken to where they cant write/type any more for having committed Libel, ONLY THEN will you have a point. The RKBA is as absolute as the R2FS. If you cannot deny a person the means to Free Speech even after they have used it illigitamately then you cannot rationally deny the RKBA for ANY REASON either. Be consistant. RKBA for all or advocate putting out tongues with a hot poker.
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