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Post by sgtwal on Jan 13, 2008 21:05:53 GMT -5
From time to time I read some statement about fair chase, and how some practice some how violates this principle. Most often this is a part of an attack on some practice the person doesn't participate in themselves.
I have given this some thought, and just what is a "Fair Chase"?
We don't think of an ambush, or sucker punch, as a fair fight. We don't think of a contest between grossly mis-matched opponents as fair.
So what would be a "Fair Chase" deer hunt? Hunting implies you are searching for something. But few Whitetail hunters search, they wait. In trees, portable stands, or ground blinds.
Chase? If you are setting still where does chase come in to it?
It seems to be that when the animal has free movement it's fair. But is it? If you are sitting at the dinner table with your family and I shoot you through your window was it a fair fight? Is that all that different from a skilled marksman with a good rifle shooting a deer feeding at 200 yards?
What is fair? And fair doesn't just mean legal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2008 21:53:04 GMT -5
if you are having problems shooting a deer may be you ought to quit hunting,everybody is different. is there any diff. than shooting a rabbit or squirrell or quail or duck ,goose laying in a blind to bushwac them if thats what you call it.
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Post by lonniephillips on Jan 14, 2008 8:26:00 GMT -5
duck, i think you missed his point.
I think what he is saying is this: what some hunters/ outdoors man see as "fair chase" others may not but for some reason they seem to think their way is right and other are wrong. Who are they to decide?
I think that was what he was saying
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Post by hornharvester on Jan 14, 2008 11:13:24 GMT -5
What some see as unethical hunting other see it as acceptable. At times just a state boundary change makes it acceptable. You see this in the equipment used, baiting, using dogs and vehicles.
As long as its legal to do then I see no reason someone cant hunt the way they want too.
Hunters restricting hunters because they don't hunt like I do is not good for the sport of hunting and only plays into the hands of the anti's. h.h.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 11:14:54 GMT -5
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 14, 2008 11:19:58 GMT -5
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Post by kevin1 on Jan 14, 2008 11:21:39 GMT -5
Perhaps this will answer your question: www.huntfairchase.com/docs/1969dca2.pdfBasically, fair chase is a defined set of standards that separates a hunter from a predator. Predators don't hunt for enjoyment, they hunt for food. Humans hunt for both sport and food. |
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Post by gundude on Jan 14, 2008 11:36:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 12:02:20 GMT -5
Basically, fair chase is a defined set of standards that separates a hunter from a predator. Predators don't hunt for enjoyment, they hunt for food. Humans hunt for both sport and food. That is not 100% true. Predators do not always eat what they kill. |
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Post by drgreyhound on Jan 14, 2008 12:22:44 GMT -5
You raise an interesting question. I'm anxious to see what others will write. I admittedly have never hunted (I've fished, lol) and do not know a lot about the issue (besides having a bachelor's degree in general biology), but on a superficial level I don't see hunting in a large enough fenced area (like some kind of a ranch) as "unfair chase" (but it would not be correct to shoot an animal in a tiny cage, say a few feet by a few feet, and call that "fair chase"). Since I don't know a lot about the issue, I look forward to reading everyone's explanations of what exactly constitutes "fair chase" and what constitutes "unfair chase."
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 14, 2008 12:47:13 GMT -5
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Post by swilk on Jan 14, 2008 13:02:03 GMT -5
I dont think one can define fair chase and have that definition fit all situations.
Like the Supreme Court Justice said about pornography ..... I cant define fair chase but I know it when I see it.
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Post by jackc99 on Jan 14, 2008 13:13:50 GMT -5
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Post by Sasquatch on Jan 14, 2008 13:16:49 GMT -5
It's a complicated issue.
In my opinion, a fair chase kill must inolve three things. A 'Rule of Three' if you will:
The prey and the method of hunting must be legal.
The prey must have the chance to escape.
The prey must be 'wild,' or fear people.
If I find a buck tangled in a fence, do I shoot it? Perhaps, depending on how much I need a deer and how bad the deer is injured. Do I claim it as a trophy? No. I'd keep the antlers, but others would be told how I got them.
I shoot a buck at four hundred yards. Is that fair? Yes, because it takes skill to make that shot, and the deer can surely escape.
I shoot a deer in a two acre pen. Is that fair chase? No. The deer cannot escape, and isn't wild.
A deer comes charging over the hill five minutes after I arrive, running from something. It would not have appeared but for the fact that it was spooked.
Do I shoot it? Sure, because it was luck to be there at the right time. The deer is still wild, and could potentially still escape.
My two cents.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 14, 2008 14:00:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't consider the story from that link to have anything to do with hunting.
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Post by gundude on Jan 14, 2008 14:02:49 GMT -5
I wouldn't consider the story from that link to have anything to do with hunting. really? please explain......... |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jan 14, 2008 14:25:43 GMT -5
From time to time I read some statement about fair chase, and how some practice some how violates this principle. Most often this is a part of an attack on some practice the person doesn't participate in themselves. I have given this some thought, and just what is a "Fair Chase"? We don't think of an ambush, or sucker punch, as a fair fight. We don't think of a contest between grossly mis-matched opponents as fair. So what would be a "Fair Chase" deer hunt? Hunting implies you are searching for something. But few Whitetail hunters search, they wait. In trees, portable stands, or ground blinds. Chase? If you are setting still where does chase come in to it? It seems to be that when the animal has free movement it's fair. But is it? If you are sitting at the dinner table with your family and I shoot you through your window was it a fair fight? Is that all that different from a skilled marksman with a good rifle shooting a deer feeding at 200 yards? What is fair? And fair doesn't just mean legal. There is not much of a "mismatch" due to the keen senses of deer. The average deer hunters success rates & bag limits proves this. Being at the top of the food chain does not guarantee not coming home from a hunt empty handed because you were outsmarted by a deer. The "search" comes in the form extensive scouting & observation while wearing out boot leather in the pre-season & post-season in hopes of your well laid plan coming together to fill a tag. There are many variables that come into play on making consistent 200 yard kills, even for a "skilled marksmen". Interesting question sgtwal. |
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Post by hornharvester on Jan 14, 2008 15:20:15 GMT -5
The key word is legal. The story is about illegal smuggling and selling wild game animals. Each state sets their own game laws so if its a legal way to hunt in that state then I see nothing wrong with how someone else wants to hunt even it I don't like their style of hunting. Besides, who am I to say how someone hunts? h.h.
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Post by indianahick on Jan 14, 2008 15:28:47 GMT -5
First off I did not read, look at any of those links. Fair chase has nothing to do with tree stand, ground blind, food plots (unless in small high fence pens), deer scents (again pens) or the type of weapon used nor in most cases the distances killed. Fair chase means that the game animal has a chance to escape if you mess up. It is not in a 5 acre high fence enclosure, it is not semi tame, it is not used to being fed in a selected area. Now if you want to talk about the King Ranch in Texas or other Texas ranches you are talking a different type of high fence that what is being used here. Most Texas ranches encompass miles between fences, not yards or acres. Some Texas ranches are actually larger than some counties are in Indiana. Hopefully this helps you understand how most of us equate fair chase.
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Post by dbd870 on Jan 14, 2008 16:14:09 GMT -5
Yep.
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