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Post by hornharvester on Jun 6, 2007 21:02:54 GMT -5
Starting to see the light here... Since you HH have a great interest in this subject you are going to not only allow to go forward but also contribute to it..... hmm I'm done with it............. you kids continue on...... gundude, no great interest here! someone ask a question and some seem to think its a taboo subject. people can debate all they want as long as they keep to the rules. h.h.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 6, 2007 21:12:22 GMT -5
And, the quote you are making is incorrect anyway. No one on this site, or on the other site, has any way of checking IP addresses of emails sent to the IDNR. Now, the folks at the IDNR could verify SOME of them, but still could not verify all of them. It just doesn't work that way. I am not all knowing, but I do know that much. It has to do with sticky vs static IP's I think. That is your opinion...
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Post by JohnSmiles on Jun 6, 2007 21:48:39 GMT -5
And, the quote you are making is incorrect anyway. No one on this site, or on the other site, has any way of checking IP addresses of emails sent to the IDNR. Now, the folks at the IDNR could verify SOME of them, but still could not verify all of them. It just doesn't work that way. I am not all knowing, but I do know that much. It has to do with sticky vs static IP's I think. That is your opinion... No Greg, that is not an opinion. That is what we call 'partial knowledge'. Here is a better explanation: www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/privacy/files/smith.htmI know you will never bother to read it, nor accept my word for it, but here are the basics for anyone else: Anytime information is transferred online, IP addresses are exchanged. So, emails sent to the IDNR could be traced back to an ISP, but no further unless the ISP consented and made their records available. And could only BE identified by the IDNR, as they are the ones who recieved the emails and, by doing so, the IP address's. And in certain cases, peoples IP address changes each time they log on. So its nothing at all like 'just trace their IP'. Now, if you are computer savvy, you can capture an IP from anyone who sends YOU email, or visits YOUR forum, or IM's YOU, but you cannot get my IP UNLESS I contact you or visit your forum. Unless you have access to the IDNR's web records, you cannot do an IP search to determine who is or is not from OOS, because you have no way of getting the IP's to begin with. And in MOST cases, you will never be able to verify anything past what town the ISP is located in without a court order.
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Post by bsutravis on Jun 6, 2007 22:29:51 GMT -5
*Sits back and grabs a Honey Brown and watches*
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Post by tmarsh83 on Jun 6, 2007 23:06:19 GMT -5
*asks BSU travis for one of them honey browns*
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Post by bsutravis on Jun 7, 2007 0:03:52 GMT -5
LOL.... you got it marsh! I've got a case iced down!!! Fun to sit back and watch a good wraslin' match now and then!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2007 4:40:32 GMT -5
And YOU need to stop posting Joes name.... Right? I'm not sticking up for him but if you are going to "preach" fairness then why dont you live it? Just a thought........ Yes, you are sticking up for him......you did not comment to Joe in the same way as you are here when he dropped Woody's name countless times. This is more than an issue about the "issues", it alos about this site. I've seen PMs from Joe about his hatred about this site and where it ranks with his. You don't do those things unless you have a serious problem with what his own site is doing.
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Post by cambygsp on Jun 7, 2007 5:11:42 GMT -5
WOW, were way off topic. The question is NOT about a person, the question is: Did crossbow lobists work to get PCR's approved in return for crossbow support. Is there a crossbow proposal on the DNR's plate right now, and was the PCR issue a "test run" for a crossbow proposal? ? Somehow we have ended up talking about one person's hate for another! If there is some sort of plan in place, who knows about it? If crossbows are next up on the agenda, lets discuss it and see where it goes. If all of this is just a big LIE.....then we should expose it and put it to rest. We should also ask the high ranking official of the states largest organized deer hunting group to retract what he has posted on a public message board. Spreading false information like what is posted above only hurts the sporting folks. How many people are going to read that remark, not knowing the history behind the statement.....and take that information and spread it around to folks who are not cyber connected.........."Well, it came from a high ranking official of the states largest organized deer hunting group, it's gotta be true!" You may ask "why are you stirring that pot"? I'll tell you......... I support the expansion of crossbow use in Indiana.....however to my knowledge there is and was no connection between the PCR rule and getting crossbows more use. At some point I think Indiana folks will be looking at expanded crossbow use, when?, I don't know.....but I do know that with LIES being spread around by high ranking officials of the states largest organized deer hunting group, it don't keep the playing field level. I am sure there were tons of folks who supported PCR's , yet are opposed to expanded crossbow use, I am sure there were tons of folks who would like to see both PCR & Crosbows get expanded. Like it or not, Indiana's management depends largely on how the hunting public is going to ACCEPT THE RULE CHANGE, and like it or not, the word of the president of the states largest organized deer hunting group carrys alot of weight with alot of the hunting public, including the ones that might not be aware of any conflict behind the statement. If that statement is a lie, and I beleive it is, it needs to be exposed and the high ranking official needs to delete his post on a public message board......thats the responsible thing to do!
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Post by greghopper on Jun 7, 2007 5:43:05 GMT -5
Hay Camby...you have any quotes????Let see what has been said!!!!!!
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jun 7, 2007 5:51:29 GMT -5
This one should get very interesting, and poor ole Woody is out of town!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by kevin1 on Jun 7, 2007 6:30:21 GMT -5
Other than being pro opportunity I see no practical reason for pro crossbow people to lobby any harder for PCR than anyone else, there's really nothing in it for them.
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Post by hornharvester on Jun 7, 2007 6:48:26 GMT -5
Hay Camby...you have any quotes????Let see what has been said!!!!!! greghopper wroteEDIT...so where did you get this from? h.h.
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Post by hornharvester on Jun 7, 2007 6:56:04 GMT -5
I think Camby has a legitimate question and as much as I would like to let this thread run its time to stop it.
I think we all know the statements made about PCR's being pushed threw by crossbow proponents is just sour grapes and a way to try and save face by someone who think they run the deer hunting in Indiana.
We're done here guys, lets move on. h.h.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 8, 2007 17:16:59 GMT -5
Crossbows and PCRs...now if we could just get the OBR and fenced hunting/leasing all into one thread...... wait throw in pit bulls too.. As soon as I get back on my feet form my trip and catch up I will discuss this thread with the moderators. We will most assuredly issue some PMs and do some editing......and I will personally address this subject in a post here.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 10, 2007 16:57:07 GMT -5
DEC hit the nail on the head about a certain individual and me. I do not deny that I have become a rabid activist in areas that I used to just allow whatever to happen. Not only am I an activist in the things I believe strongly in, I want to push others to do exactly as I try to do – be active. I do not care what issue it is, or which side that you are on – get active and give input. It has been too many years where certain individuals/groups have had the ears of the DNR and NRC. The internet has made a change in that EVERYONE can get and stay active with just a few mouse clicks and words.. I promise you I’ll do my best to keep you all up to date on each and every issue that comes down the road. We will NOT agree on each and everything, but we NEED to give input to the DNR and NRC. If we don’t we cannot gripe later about a decision being made. Now to address the “PCR and Crossbow lobbiest”.. As most of you know, I am pro-PCR and pro-crossbow. More so crossbow and if I had but ONE choice as to which one was made legal, it would be the crossbow. Allowing all hunters to have another choice in archery hunting gear is a number one priority of mine. You may differ and that is OK. We can debate that with good honest data and leave out emotional personal attacks. The PCRs and crossbows are not intertwined as far as "crossbow lobbiest" pushing PCRs. That is more smoke screen and pure BS. I do see both the PCRs and the crossbows as pro-opportunity. That is why I bought onto the PCRs. I was a fence sitter originally and was sold on PCRs by the pro-PCR folks posting here. The more I looked at PCRs I asked myself the question ,”Why not?” I could not come up with a valid answer to that question. Just like I cannot come up with a valid “why not” answer to crossbows. I personally know a lot of people that are in the archery and crossbow business and I can assure everyone here there is no such a thing as a "crossbow lobbiest". That is old school that is still be used as a booger bear by anti-crossbow people. Any pushing for crossbows in Indiana will come from either grass roots or the IDNR themselves. Back 10 or 12 years ago the crossbow manufacturers tried that "lobbiest" route with the Indiana politicians and got burned bad and rightfully so. Since that time they have taken a hands off approach to liberalization and legalization of crossbows in any state's archery seasons. The crossbow manufacturers and the ATA have told the DNRs if they have any questions or need any crossbow information to just call them. Other than that, they are hands off. The DNRs have to make the initial move. They are letting the DNRs make their own decisions about crossbows. Which is more than I can say for a number of “bowhunting organizations.” I guess that I am the number one pusher of crossbows in Indiana and an opposing person is trying to tie me in as a "lobbiest". I'm not. I'm just an activist. Of course, I am more of an activist in ALL areas since the OBR. Crossbows will come to Indiana for all some day.... hopefully in my lifetime..... The thread still stays locked....
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