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Post by tusti on May 19, 2007 10:50:16 GMT -5
Am only passing this along as food for thought. Received it from a good friend. Had a white person written this they would die of a "bias" attack. Was pretty amazing to read it having been written by a black person. It really is a strong statement. One which leads to thoughts of what the influx of Mexican people who cross the border will eventually add or detract from our world. I just keep imagining a giant sucking sound as this new world we are cruising toward becomes an uncontrolled drain. Sadly the word immigrant has taken on a whole new meaning. Gone are those immigrants who craved a brave new world and worked hard to keep it so. Whose contributions are the bedrock of America.
Sadly, too many black youth have little compunction, despite opportunity, to help maintain our land of opportunity. Why, because it has become the land of handouts. And WE have let it happen. But even more sadly is the fact we are now going to afford generous benefits to those who have done no nation building, no battle, and who demonstrate in OUR streets and who will eventually tire of being exploited by some of our rich greedy patriots thus increasing the decible of the giant sucking sound - having learned what a big pushover America is.
So, my friends, if you think this new Immigration Bill subjects us to one more layer of humans who have re-defined the words "land of opportunity," then contact your congressman ASAP. It only takes one congressman to filibuster. America, the "Land of Entitlements" is gaining on us. Our leaders are representing WHO??? To be totally clear on this, there remains a sizeable difference between those who are truly poor and downtrodden and need our assistance and those who work the system. I think the middle class recognizes the difference, is taking the hit and is personally offended. While it is easy to blame en masse, not all newcomers are a detriment, of course not; America has a layer of exploitation which has no equal. Maybe it's time to go to the mattresses. Ya think!!
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 19, 2007 13:15:34 GMT -5
Yeah, in fact I do think.
Very sad, and a very true post.
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Post by bsutravis on May 19, 2007 16:22:21 GMT -5
I actually had time to look over the entire bill last night for the first time. Here are a few thoughts. IF........IIIIIFFFFF all the hoops were jumped through, the bill isn't a bad one. It forces illegals back into Mexico and makes them come through legally (at the back of the line) if they are wanting to be on the path to citizenship.....and it basically allows the migrant workers to come over in 2 year blocks with 1 year out of country spent between the 2 year blocks, with a MAX. of 3 of the 2 year blocks allowable. The bill addresses the "strain" on the welfare system by forcing workers to prove that they have a job that will support their family, obviously to "prevent" the wife and kids from coming over and jumping on the welfare train. It also forces them to learn English, and it reaffirms that ENGLISH is the official language in America. There are fines to be paid for their illegal actions of coming here in the first place and such.
If I had a guarantee that no more folks would come over the wall at the border or at least turn that faucet down to a drip versus a steady stream, AND that all the hoops jumping would happen by even 80% of the illegals here today than I'd feel ok with the bill. The problem is, there's no way it's going to happen like the bill intends. Migrant workers are NOT going to pony up $5-grrr and leave just so they can get in line to come back SOMEDAY. We can't keep track of the wherabouts of people born and raised in the US, how are we all the sudden going to be able to do so with these Mexican Immigrants?
I don't know what the real solution to fix the problem is, but this just isn't gonna work IMO.
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Post by tbgrindlay on May 19, 2007 17:00:00 GMT -5
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 19, 2007 23:02:21 GMT -5
We currently have millions of people in this country who broke our laws to come here and are currently still ignoring them.
Now, we do lip service on passing some more laws we won't enforce anymore than we enforced the ones passed in 1986, and people are actually calling this 'reform'?
Or plausible?
Yeah, ranks right up there with passing more gun laws and the Marion Co proposal.
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 19, 2007 23:17:21 GMT -5
4 minute? You mean 14.  But still worth watching. Unreal ain't it? |
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Post by Old Ironsights on May 19, 2007 23:21:53 GMT -5
There are only 2 things tou can do that will "reform" immigration in the US. #1 - Kill Welfare. All of it. Including Public Hospitals (i.e. stop servicing indigent patients with my tax dollars. That's Charity and should be handled by Private Charitable Institutions) #2 - English Only Laws. Taken together, those two things puts Immigration back to where it was when Immigration was considered a "good thing" - when immigrants from the world over came here to work hard and become Americans - not live off the dole and demand that I learn their language. OTOH, I can almost sympathize with the Reconquistas... I can think of nothing better to do with California than to give it back to Mexico - so long as none of the Fruits & Nuts are allowed to leave.  |
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Post by kevin1 on May 20, 2007 6:41:25 GMT -5
Exactly why does our immigration system require "reform"? It was never broken to begin with, some folks just want a free ride instead of working for what they want like every true immigrant who preceded them. Here are the actual requirements for citizenship in this country: www.us-immigration-attorney.com/citizenship.htmNow, could somebody please give me a valid reason why 10-20 million criminals should be granted blanket citizenship when they have rather obviously violated every single requirement for legal residency in this country? More to the point, why isn't every politician who is advocating this blanket amnesty and fast tracking it not on trial for treason? Anybody? (Insert cricket sounds)  |
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Post by drgreyhound on May 20, 2007 7:13:29 GMT -5
OIS--I totally agree with your propositions! Illegal immigration bothers me, if for no other reason, that my own great- and great-great grandparents worked very hard to immigrate here legally, learn English, use it, and build a new life--all without "public charity" or "welfare". Instead of complaining to the government and American citizens about their hardships, my great-great grandparents from southern Italy learned English when they were here and eventually opened a butcher shop in Chicago. My Polish great-grandmother came to this country knowing no English--she took it upon herself to learn while working all day and night cleaning offices in Chicago and struggling to make the rent, oftentimes having to move to a different apartment on a monthly basis with her 5 surviving children. To add to the hardship, her husband got hit by a horse cart and killed soon after they both came to this country. Not once did any of my family members ask for "welfare" from the government--they struggled, oftentimes without enough to eat, grateful that they could be here legally (their families could not come here legally, so they stayed in Italy/Poland) and live a better life than they would have otherwise, even if it was hard. Is that too much to ask for this "new wave" of illegal immigrants?? I think not!!
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Post by bsutravis on May 20, 2007 7:25:26 GMT -5
Greyhound, your family history sounds like the makings of a good mob-family! You aren't part of "the family" are ya???
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Post by drgreyhound on May 20, 2007 9:31:04 GMT -5
Greyhound, your family history sounds like the makings of a good mob-family! You aren't part of "the family" are ya??? ROFLMAO! ;D Nah, we're not Sicilian!! My dad loves the Sopranos though...he says he reminds himself of Tony Soprano...hmm... |
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Post by Old Ironsights on May 20, 2007 13:43:37 GMT -5
I wish I was part of the "Family"... it would suit my temperment and skill set quite well... and actually pay better... plus a Club Fed 3 hots & a cot Retirement plan...  But, be that as it may, here's my take onnthe new bill - as articulated by someone else... www.daybydaycartoon.com/2007/05/20/#a004136 |
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Post by hunter480 on May 20, 2007 15:05:35 GMT -5
There are only 2 things tou can do that will "reform" immigration in the US. #1 - Kill Welfare. All of it. Including Public Hospitals (i.e. stop servicing indigent patients with my tax dollars. That's Charity and should be handled by Private Charitable Institutions) #2 - English Only Laws. Taken together, those two things puts Immigration back to where it was when Immigration was considered a "good thing" - when immigrants from the world over came here to work hard and become Americans - not live off the dole and demand that I learn their language. OTOH, I can almost sympathize with the Reconquistas... I can think of nothing better to do with California than to give it back to Mexico - so long as none of the Fruits & Nuts are allowed to leave. I know that Lowes as well as Best Buy have the aisle signs in English as well as spanish-I`ve let them both know I won`t deal with them unless/until they cahnge to English ONLY. Will they?-don`t think so-are there other`s doing the same thing? You bet-but you have to take a stand where you are. |
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Post by drgreyhound on May 21, 2007 6:40:15 GMT -5
There are only 2 things tou can do that will "reform" immigration in the US. #1 - Kill Welfare. All of it. Including Public Hospitals (i.e. stop servicing indigent patients with my tax dollars. That's Charity and should be handled by Private Charitable Institutions) #2 - English Only Laws. Taken together, those two things puts Immigration back to where it was when Immigration was considered a "good thing" - when immigrants from the world over came here to work hard and become Americans - not live off the dole and demand that I learn their language. OTOH, I can almost sympathize with the Reconquistas... I can think of nothing better to do with California than to give it back to Mexico - so long as none of the Fruits & Nuts are allowed to leave. I know that Lowes as well as Best Buy have the aisle signs in English as well as spanish-I`ve let them both know I won`t deal with them unless/until they cahnge to English ONLY. Will they?-don`t think so-are there other`s doing the same thing? You bet-but you have to take a stand where you are. Even though it all kind of bugs me, I don't mind as much when a private business (such as Best Buy or Lowe's) does it than when a public institution (like the government) does something like that, since the private businesses have the prerogative to choose how the business will be run. I like how you are hitting the businesses you do not agree with "in the pocketbook" so to speak, since this is a primary way to enact change for these businesses (as we all know!). I do not think that the government should legislate private institutions to display any particular language besides English--which I think should be instituted as the "national language". |
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Post by DEERTRACKS on May 21, 2007 7:22:49 GMT -5
Ditto JS & OI!!!!!!!
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