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Post by midwesthunter on May 18, 2007 11:32:25 GMT -5
I know some of you heard about the police officer that got shot and one died. I know the guy that sold the gun (Ron Wedge) owner of Hole in the wall in bristol. Don't know him well but good enough. I was wondering what you think he will get out of this. He sold the gun in a gun show on a sat the police got shot sun night mon morning. he never called in the paper work till tue. then he found out he would have made him wait to buy the gun. Anyways, hes a nice guy he's 73 now. I think there going to make an example out of him, wich i hope they do. That way the Demecrats don't have something else to go after. I wrote wsbt a email complaining when they interviewed the shooters brother, all he and them talked about were that there needs to be better gun laws, so people like the shooter can't buy guns. Well we have those laws, the seller didn't follow those laws thats why he's going to go to prison now. just wondering others views on this matter
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Post by tmarsh83 on May 18, 2007 13:18:14 GMT -5
Laws that arent used cant be blamed...this guy chose not to use the system he was supposed to. Sucks that he didn't but it is time he paid the price for his mistake.
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Post by dbd870 on May 18, 2007 13:33:35 GMT -5
Yep; he's in trouble, I'm betting they go after him hard.
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Post by bsutravis on May 18, 2007 13:52:15 GMT -5
Wow. Bad deal. I hadn't heard about this.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on May 18, 2007 13:58:38 GMT -5
He is toast!
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 18, 2007 15:51:58 GMT -5
He is 73.
He will probably not do any actual time, but will be heavily fined, and lose his license.
btw,
I can't find any info on this at all.
Link?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2007 17:15:38 GMT -5
He is 73. He will probably not do any actual time, but will be heavily fined, and lose his license. btw, I can't find any info on this at all. Link? He violated Federal law.....those normally have mandated sentences with mandatory jail time. He'll serve it either in a prison or a prison hospital. My opinion on it is he should be going away because he violated a simple procedure that requires just a few minutes of time in most cases. Gun Shows will come under attack because of these actions. This is not related in anyway to the "gun show loop hole" that we always here about. that pretains to non-dealers selling firearms without any paper work or NICS check. |
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 18, 2007 19:18:31 GMT -5
He is 73. He will probably not do any actual time, but will be heavily fined, and lose his license. btw, I can't find any info on this at all. Link? He violated Federal law.....those normally have mandated sentences with mandatory jail time. He'll serve it either in a prison or a prison hospital. My opinion on it is he should be going away because he violated a simple procedure that requires just a few minutes of time in most cases. Gun Shows will come under attack because of these actions. This is not related in anyway to the "gun show loop hole" that we always here about. that pretains to non-dealers selling firearms without any paper work or NICS check. Very true, but at 73 I really expect some serious allowances to be made. I am not excusing him, but that is what I EXPECT to happen. I also don't know ANY of the real details here yet. I have not seen anything other than this post on it so far, and I have looked. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2007 19:44:40 GMT -5
The Federal prosecuter will make him a deal, but it will include jail time, and it'll likely be the minimum allowed by the statute. It's not legal to offer him anything less.
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Post by fuzzyhoyt on May 18, 2007 20:40:38 GMT -5
I know Ron as well. He is/was a scorer for Buckmasters. I've been in his shp several times and I always thought he was too secretive and a bit on the shady side.
Fuzzy
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Post by mullis56 on May 18, 2007 20:46:38 GMT -5
He violated Federal law.....those normally have mandated sentences with mandatory jail time. He'll serve it either in a prison or a prison hospital. My opinion on it is he should be going away because he violated a simple procedure that requires just a few minutes of time in most cases. Gun Shows will come under attack because of these actions. This is not related in anyway to the "gun show loop hole" that we always here about. that pretains to non-dealers selling firearms without any paper work or NICS check. Very true, but at 73 I really expect some serious allowances to be made. I am not excusing him, but that is what I EXPECT to happen. I also don't know ANY of the real details here yet. I have not seen anything other than this post on it so far, and I have looked. The guy is toast and should be FRYED! Things like this make it hard for the normal law abiding citizens and dealers. BURN HIM. This is a bad situation. JOHN - Here you are again, just way off track, just like with your comments about Peabody. Anyone else that is a supporter of the OBR and hunting in general, and continues to fight stuff like this that makes going to get a guy for kid tougher and tougher, would support burning this dealer, but you don't. The dealers just like us need and have to follow the rules, this just gives the anti's more support, idiots and uneducated! BTW - do you realize that all of the PCR can't fire any further or accurate then a GOOD slug gun or a smoke pole? (notice I said good) I have a good friend that was part of the PCR committee that got this approved but it does nothing special, and that is why it was passed so easily. Hunters input had little impact on this, and it was all political as you said things are, the committee actually laughed at reasoning for wanting it but it isn't a big deal and harvest results won't increase as it doesn't give you a 250 yard gun. Your comment in your avaiator makes me laugh, but it is freedom of speech! We should all just get along, and when we speak we should unite and make educated and good ideas/support of what should be done to those who are wrong regardless of age/sex/religion/race! |
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 18, 2007 22:44:04 GMT -5
Very true, but at 73 I really expect some serious allowances to be made. I am not excusing him, but that is what I EXPECT to happen. I also don't know ANY of the real details here yet. I have not seen anything other than this post on it so far, and I have looked. The guy is toast and should be FRYED! Things like this make it hard for the normal law abiding citizens and dealers. BURN HIM. This is a bad situation. But seriously, how do you really feel? You should learn to be more open . . . I said I did not know all the facts yet, and that he will probably get a lesser sentence because of his age. That is way off track? Sorry, but after several attempts, I am still not sure what you are trying to say here. For starters, I am not a supporter for the OBR, and my 'laughable' avatar makes that very clear. And, once I have heard or read more than JUST this single post, I might indeed want him punished to the full extant of the law. But even then, I doubt I will want him BURNED or FRIED. I am not making any excuses for him. But please go on . . . . You have just got to be joking . . . Who would ever have guessed . . ? Oh? Please elaborate. Who is this 'friend' of yours, btw? I would realy like to know. Other than people whom I cannot mention for fear of being edited out, no one I know was claiming they would be 250 yard guns. And from the statement they released, containing ALL of the comments and ALL of the emails and ALL of the email address, I tend to think public input had a large part in this myself. Just an opinion though, so dont get your feathers ruffled. Shows what you know about the OBR and PCR. If you actually read it, why would you think I support OBR? Yeah, that 4 year old who shot his mother should get the chair, no if's, an's or but's. . . . Now, you have spent much of tonight ragging my posts. In the course of events, on this and other threads, we have learned that you have purchased almost 300 acres off of Peabody, but won't disclose the price, have lots of stock in Exxon, and have 'friends' who are deeply involved in the PCR debate and the ruling committee. Explains a great deal. We have also learned, that while several have stated basically the same thing, you have taken issue soley with my post. Which once again makes it personal, and nothing else. |
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Post by mullis56 on May 18, 2007 23:09:53 GMT -5
I SUPPORT the OBR, and my friend who is on the committee that is approving the PCR supports it too. Part of the deal is that there won't be a change in our population due to this ruling. I'm not getting into with you anymore.
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 18, 2007 23:21:29 GMT -5
I SUPPORT the OBR, and my friend who is on the committee that is approving the PCR supports it too. Part of the deal is that there won't be a change in our population due to this ruling. I'm not getting into with you anymore. You haven't 'gotten into' anything with me yet other than insults and unsupported claims. Oh, and saying a lot of things you never should have said on a public forum.  Knowning most will be deleted by morning, I copied them all. And I have my own website I can post them on for future reference. If needed that is. Once again, thanks ever so much for the Peabody post. |
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Post by bsutravis on May 19, 2007 8:57:15 GMT -5
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 19, 2007 14:40:36 GMT -5
Thanks. I never found anything on it yesterday at all. So, if I am reading this right, he passed the background check? If so, if the proper paperwork had been done as it should have been done, he would have been approved anyway, right? The only thing that would have been different is that he would not have been able to take the gun home that same day. Which means it still may or may not have happened, even if all the laws had been followed, except on a different day. Sad, that so many knew he was basically a problem waiting to happen all his life. Lord what a mess . . |
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Post by mullis56 on May 19, 2007 21:35:17 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2007 22:52:28 GMT -5
In summery, here's what happened.
1. Somewhere, a court clerk screwed up and didn't notify the proper authorities of the guys mental condition and that he had in fact been adjudicated as mentally defective.
2. The guy liad on the question on that issue on the 4473 form.
3. The dealers didn't make the instant call to the NICS clearing house to get approval on the day of the sale.
4. The dates on the 4473 were changed to the day of the call in an attempt to clear themselves of a crime.
5. Gun shows are getting the blame when it had no bearing on the crimes that were committed by any of those involved.
6. The liar is dead, and will suffer no other penalties.
&. The dealer(s) will serve prison time for failing to do the required call and for falsifying the 4473 form.
9. Gun shows will ultimately suffer because of idiots that don't do what the law requires them to do.
10. Even if the dealers had not violated the law, this crime could have still happened, but they will bare the brunt of the punishment for selling the gun to the shooter.
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Post by bsutravis on May 20, 2007 3:22:32 GMT -5
Good evaluation timex
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Post by mullis56 on May 20, 2007 8:49:49 GMT -5
Timex - thanks for spelling it out for the less fortunate of the group so they can easily follow what happened lieu of read the article and having to interupt what happened....u the man!
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