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Post by drgreyhound on May 19, 2007 9:34:38 GMT -5
Back on topic: If you are in the Indy area, get your gas before the end of the week cause the stations always jack it up for the out of town race fans! Good idea and something that hadn't occurred to me yet! Thanks!
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 19, 2007 14:08:14 GMT -5
Smiley... You can rearrange my numbers all you want with "Clinton Math" if you would like. Woody asked a simple question, to which I responded with a realistic view, with real numbers. Yes, you can go back to when gas was $1.70/gal and refigure things to make them skew toward what you want them to be, but over the past 2 years they have fluctuated all over the $2+ gallon range, with $2.50 being a nice average. Then you go and tack on another 1,400 miles to add even more mileage to get your numbers where they are more shocking. Stop trying so hard to swing the pendulum into your favor. Nobody (except our good friend Donnie who is an oil barron on the weekends) likes high gas prices, but the folks that aren't whinning about it realize that their energy is best served in changing their lifestyle to lessen the hardship of fuel costs. I'm not going to feel sorry for any member of this board who is kicking and screaming about gas prices. Every one of us are sitting in front of a computer, paying at a minimum $20/month or $50/month for cable modems. If I couldn't drive my vehicle, the internet would be the first luxury that I would do without. BTW, you can check MY numbers on gas prices @ www.gasbuddy.com/gb_retail_price_chart.aspxI am not trying to swing anything in my favor. I simply do not see your timeframe(3 months) as being a realistic comparison of what has happened. I am not 'skewing' them, or using 'clinton math' here. I am comparing the cost of travel today vs just 5 years ago. Heck, if you just go back a week, there has hardly been any increase at all. In fact, the price of travel is at an all time low, IF you are looking only at today and a week ago. Question. You honestly think that simply the mileage there and back is all you will drive? If so, why even go? I mean, what is the purpose of taking vacation if you simply drive to the coast and back, and see nothing else in between? I would dearly love to see the Redwoods, but I also intend to take in as much as is possible in between the two points. Also, per your link, my figures were actually HIGH for 5 years, as it was around $1.00-$1.33, not $1.70 which I used to come up with the numbers. Which means the price is well over double what it was, and closer to 3 times the cost in fact. Regardless of how many miles you figure it at. You will get whatever you want, if you move the parameters around enough. By your chart, gas prices have almost tripled since 2002. Carry the trend. By 2012(if the world doesn't end like the Mayan calender implies) gas will be $10.00 a gallon. Or more, as the rate at which it is rising is speeding up also. You using $2.50 and $3.29 as your reference points is fine if you are ONLY talking about the amount of change in the last 3 months, but if the last three months is your model, gas will be $850.00 a gallon by 2012 minimum. This price is what happens if the trend over the last three months(gas prices rose 32% in 3 months) continues. Compared over 3 months, or over 5 years, it still looks bleak. For everyone.
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 19, 2007 14:23:11 GMT -5
Mullis56 and Johnsmiles, cool it please. I actually tried that last night. Didn't work out so well. $107.23 to fill the tank today, and it wasn't even empty.
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Post by bsutravis on May 19, 2007 16:03:27 GMT -5
[You honestly think that simply the mileage there and back is all you will drive? If so, why even go? Smiles......this can go on and on and on. I used L.A. as a hypothetical....just a place on a map a LONG way away to gather a bunch of miles. Of course you are going to have mileage to and from the hotel down to Starbucks then over to this place or that. Gimme a break. How many people are planning on taking a trip that will generate 5,500 miles? Sure, some may....but most people aren't talking about mega driving trips like that. My time frame is over 2 years.........NOT 2 weeks. Yes, it did jump in a two week period of time, but my average of $2.50 was just that, an AVERAGE over the past 2 years. Anyway.......... I answered the original question about driving habits and so did you. At this point if I told you that grass is green you'd start throwing out different varieties that tend to skew more of a yellowish green, or blue just to be difficult. Your "view" , as well as mine has been noted by anyone who actually gives a darn. As for the rest of this thread, wake me when it hit $4/gallon and I will might consider stopping my 3 year old from her horsey rides outside the grocery store as a "cut-back".
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 19, 2007 16:32:05 GMT -5
[You honestly think that simply the mileage there and back is all you will drive? If so, why even go? Smiles......this can go on and on and on. I used L.A. as a hypothetical....just a place on a map a LONG way away to gather a bunch of miles. Of course you are going to have mileage to and from the hotel down to Starbucks then over to this place or that. Gimme a break. How many people are planning on taking a trip that will generate 5,500 miles? Sure, some may....but most people aren't talking about mega driving trips like that. My time frame is over 2 years.........NOT 2 weeks. Yes, it did jump in a two week period of time, but my average of $2.50 was just that, an AVERAGE over the past 2 years. Anyway.......... I answered the original question about driving habits and so did you. At this point if I told you that grass is green you'd start throwing out different varieties that tend to skew more of a yellowish green, or blue just to be difficult. Your "view" , as well as mine has been noted by anyone who actually gives a darn. As for the rest of this thread, wake me when it hit $4/gallon and I will might consider stopping my 3 year old from her horsey rides outside the grocery store as a "cut-back". BS, why are you attempting to make this personal? You offered your opinion, I offered mine. I see yours as no more realistic than you see mine. End of story. I am not trying to offend you, or blow you off, or anything of that nature. I simply gave my opinion. If anyone is trying to be difficult, it is you. I show a different viewpoint, and you call it 'clinton math', skewed and unrealistic. Who is trying to be difficult here? The 5500 is pretty much exactly what I have planned on for years, if and when I can ever actually afford it. A 3 or maybe 4 week vacation. And the vehicle I hope to take will get closer to 34 mpg with any luck at all. ;D
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Post by Old Ironsights on May 19, 2007 23:02:06 GMT -5
... Every one of us are sitting in front of a computer, paying at a minimum $20/month or $50/month for cable modems. ... Not me. $4.95/mo dialup. All2easy.net. I use a WiFlyer wifi modem to get it to my laptop. But then, I also drive a 12y/o station wagon that gets between 25 & 40mpg depending on conditions, don't have TV (at all - sorry Travis ) and have a pretty strict budget to get by on my lousy $18,800 (annual) take home. But neither gas prices nor lousy income is going to keep me from driving to MPLS, Nebraska or San Antonio this year either. You make due. But maybe I just have that perspective because I have spent a bunch of time, miles and dollars driving around and buying Petrol in Europe and Canada in the 90s - and even back THEN you could easily pay over $4/LITRE depending on which country was taxing you. If you want cheaper gas, start by cutting the Taxes on it, remove all the stupid "Local Formulation" rules that keep the refineries from just cranking it out, and drag all the hippies who block US petroleum development out onto an ice floe north of Nome... I hear the Polar Bears need more food.
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Post by bsutravis on May 20, 2007 3:08:40 GMT -5
drag all the hippies who block US petroleum development out onto an ice floe north of Nome... I hear the Polar Bears need more food. Shouldn't we do that regardless of what the oil prices are???
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Post by drgreyhound on May 20, 2007 7:34:03 GMT -5
Now TV in my apartment is something I couldn't do without (although I don't have cable)! If I want to watch cable TV, I go to the boyfriend's place...
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Post by Old Ironsights on May 20, 2007 12:06:38 GMT -5
I suppose I should caviat that I do have a functional TV - but it's in the basement with no antenna or cable. It's strictly for watching DVDs/VHS.
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 22, 2007 11:28:39 GMT -5
I suppose I should caviat that I do have a functional TV - but it's in the basement with no antenna or cable. It's strictly for watching DVDs/VHS. I have never owned a TV when living single. And never missed one. I do understand completely. There are times I wish I could just switch off all tv's and cell phones for a single week, just to get some people to realize standing up while at home is still possible, and the world will not come to an end if you can't be immediately reached anytime, anyplace. Which is a subject for a another thread.
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Post by jkd on May 22, 2007 15:58:20 GMT -5
$3.59 @ Gas America Tipton this morning.... GAK!!!!!
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Post by JohnSmiles on May 22, 2007 16:27:30 GMT -5
$3.59 @ Gas America Tipton this morning.... GAK!!!!! GAK is right. And a few other choice words. ;D Holiday coming and all ya know . . .
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Post by DEERTRACKS on May 23, 2007 6:11:16 GMT -5
GAK!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by drgreyhound on May 23, 2007 8:21:40 GMT -5
Unless you're on-call and responsible for the livelihood of individuals' well-being...
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Post by DEERTRACKS on May 24, 2007 8:01:30 GMT -5
With all the talk about high priced gasoline the question is - Will the price of gasoline alter your summer driving plans?Channel 13 is running the same pole this morning. I wonder who may have been behind this travis? ;D
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Post by bsutravis on May 24, 2007 8:33:28 GMT -5
LOL..... Travis is off work today DT.
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