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Post by swilk on Apr 11, 2007 19:54:45 GMT -5
What would be everyones opinion on allowing HPR's during firearms deer season?
Currently it is perfectly legal to use a Savage smokeless MZ .... which I do. I use a load of 76gr of 10x powder pushing a 250gr bullet at roughly 2600fps.
There are loads for the Savage that push 200gr bullets close to 3000fps .... these loads rival most any HPR on the market today.
HPR's are widely used by varmint hunters for yotes, foxes and groundhogs.
I personally do not want to see them passed or even discussed in a true legislative manner ..... just curious what others think.
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Post by Decatur on Apr 11, 2007 19:58:16 GMT -5
If you had to pass some kind of intensive safety test, and if it was limited to certain areas, and there were cartridge and number of rounds restrictions, then yes. Otherwise, no thanks! Firearms season is a little spooky some times as it is!
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Post by tmarsh83 on Apr 11, 2007 19:58:22 GMT -5
How many hunters in the woods opening morning?
How many shots fires? How many miles of bullet flight is that?
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Post by reloader on Apr 11, 2007 20:01:58 GMT -5
And you wont know any differance than last year..............bet me
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Post by hunter480 on Apr 11, 2007 20:02:31 GMT -5
In a word-
NO
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Post by swilk on Apr 11, 2007 20:12:31 GMT -5
Does anyone have any reasons not to allow them?
We already allow weapons that have the same ballistic values as most any HPR ......
Reasons other than just because you dont want them?
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 11, 2007 20:58:57 GMT -5
What would be everyones opinion on allowing HPR's during firearms deer season? Currently it is perfectly legal to use a Savage smokeless MZ .... which I do. I use a load of 76gr of 10x powder pushing a 250gr bullet at roughly 2600fps. There are loads for the Savage that push 200gr bullets close to 3000fps .... these loads rival most any HPR on the market today. HPR's are widely used by varmint hunters for yotes, foxes and groundhogs. I personally do not want to see them passed or even discussed in a true legislative manner ..... just curious what others think. There is a word that comes to mind . . . . what is it when you do a thing yourself yet don't want others doing it? . . . . . . . ;D YOU have, in all respects, the equivalent of a single shot, high powered rifle, yet you do not want actual high power rifles made legal . . . And we have all the various pistols out there that can duplicate high power rifle ballistics to 98%. . . Ah well, makes as much sense as the last thread did if that counts for anything.
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Post by swilk on Apr 11, 2007 21:00:59 GMT -5
That isnt really an answer ..... but thanks anyway.
they really are out to get you
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Post by tmarsh83 on Apr 11, 2007 21:03:43 GMT -5
Can't be wrong if you never really say anything...
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Post by swilk on Apr 11, 2007 21:08:10 GMT -5
I have a point to this thread .......
My point is it is OK to not want something just because you dont want it.
Everyone seems to try and justify their opinions with ethics, swayed data, questionable "facts" .....
It is ok to have an opinion based on nothing other than ..... that is what I want. Doesnt matter what anyone else thinks or wants, it is your opinion.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 11, 2007 21:15:38 GMT -5
That isnt really an answer ..... but thanks anyway. they really are out to get you Edit for personal attack!
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Post by swilk on Apr 11, 2007 21:35:46 GMT -5
Edited for personal attack!
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Post by hornharvester on Apr 11, 2007 21:51:40 GMT -5
Next personal attack gets this thread locked! h.h.
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Post by steveb on Apr 11, 2007 21:54:00 GMT -5
Its about time Indiana get in gear for pistol length cartridges out of leveractions or rifles. If thats what you mean by HPR...You bet, and I cant wait. This I've got mine mentality is for the birds.
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Post by tenring on Apr 11, 2007 22:00:52 GMT -5
I personally believe that the PCR rule that is about to be put in the books is the limit to which I would be comfortable with. Present big game hunting in Indiana is normally confined within the short to medium range, quite compatible with the proposed specifications of cartridges. The ability of the general hunting public to properly and safely handle a "high powered" rifle would be best left to someone other than me [and DD].
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 11, 2007 22:03:23 GMT -5
Its about time Indiana get in gear for pistol length cartridges out of leveractions or rifles. If thats what you mean by HPR...You bet, and I cant wait. This I've got mine mentality is for the birds. I agree. 100% in fact. But no, this is not about pcr's, its about hpr's, which are worlds apart. PCR's are the lever guns you refer to. HPR's are High Power Rifles. Its about how it is perfectly ok to use a muzzle loader or modern pistol that duplicates true high power ballistics, but somehow wrong to use high power rifles.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Apr 11, 2007 22:13:24 GMT -5
I personally believe that the PCR rule that is about to be put in the books is the limit to which I would be comforable with. Present big game hunting in Indiana is normally confined within the short to medium range, quite compatible with the proposed specifications of cartridges. The ability of the general hunting public to properly and safely handle a "high powered" rifle would be best left to someone other than me [and DD]. Are we here in Indiana that much more stupid or careless than our kinfolk in other states? Honestly. The number of accidents(or lack thereof) is rather hard to argue. Indiana is just like ANY other state in that it has many types of terrains. I know a lot of idiots, but I seriously doubt Indiana has the market cornered on them. While I am neither for nor against HPR's(which means by default I would support them if a vote were to be taken), I do see a lot of phony excuses on both sides of the debate. Mainly, we already have many legal weapons out there that are every bit as powerful as most HPR's.
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Post by lugnutz on Apr 11, 2007 22:14:19 GMT -5
I'd use one.
The biggest difference between a HPR and any other weapon. Is Accuracy.
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Post by tmarsh83 on Apr 11, 2007 22:16:57 GMT -5
How many 200 yard shots are you actually presented with in the course of a year?
Maybe its just poor little me that doesn't have a need for that range...
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Post by steveb on Apr 11, 2007 22:20:14 GMT -5
John, I understand there is a difference. You can use a muzzloader that duplicates high power ballistics but cant use a high powered rifle??? Makes no sense to me. I'm all for ballistic consistancy myself.
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