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Post by Decatur on Apr 6, 2007 19:15:22 GMT -5
I am so sick and tired of gas prices going up every single holiday weekend, or everytime a flea farts in Mozambique. The oil companies must think we are idiots and can't put together the facts that it's a holiday weekend, and up go the gas prices. Everytime without fail. They know people will be doing more travelling, so lets stick it to 'em! I think it's disgusting the profits these huge oil companies make year after year at the expense of your everyday Joe. It's just not right! I'm all for companies making profits, even big profits, they take all the risks, they deserve the rewards. However, they could take gas down to $2 a gallon and STILL post big profits. It's nothing but plain old fashioned g-r-e-e-d!
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Post by indianahick on Apr 6, 2007 22:45:35 GMT -5
I totally agree. If you can buy your gas by Wednesday before they hike the prices on Thursday or Friday.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 7, 2007 8:54:44 GMT -5
What you can do is buy a diesel and convert it to run on vegetable oil, then monopolize the local fast-food used oil market before someone else does.
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Post by Sleazy E on Apr 7, 2007 9:10:56 GMT -5
I actually had an arguement with my wife about this exact topic yesterday..... (she is an accounting major and is engrossed int he world of evil big buisness) Appearntly they raise the price of gas on weekends and holidays because they know the demand will be higher.... but according to her that is not with the attempt to make more money but instead to lower the amount of gas used during that time so as not to create a shotage later...... I also argued the point that the gas stations have already paid for the gas in the "well" so why do thier prices change from day to day when most get filled up weekly or even biweekly. It works about the same way as the other they raise it to prevent a shortage.
I dunno if you ask me I still think it is so they can make more money and if I had the money to invest.... I would dump it all in buying an oil well or stock in an oil company cause pretty soon they will be the only real money makers left in this country.
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Post by drs on Apr 7, 2007 9:55:55 GMT -5
Remember though, they also drive cars and must pay the same price per gallon as everyone else. So the "extra" money they make by investing in oil or fuel stock, wont go all that far, if the price keeps climbing.
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Post by kevin1 on Apr 7, 2007 10:43:41 GMT -5
What you can do is buy a diesel and convert it to run on vegetable oil, then monopolize the local fast-food used oil market before someone else does. If you can come up with a way to keep that biodiesel from gelling at temps under 40 degrees without mixing it with 85% petrodiesel then keep it under your hat until you patent it, you'll end up being richer than Bill Gates if you do.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 7, 2007 11:09:59 GMT -5
I figure if we could do it to regular diesel in Fairbanks when it got to -70 below, it wouldn't be too hard to manage it here in the lower 48... especially in states where it rarely gets below 0.
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Post by hunter480 on Apr 7, 2007 11:38:49 GMT -5
I actually had an arguement with my wife about this exact topic yesterday..... (she is an accounting major and is engrossed int he world of evil big buisness) Appearntly they raise the price of gas on weekends and holidays because they know the demand will be higher.... but according to her that is not with the attempt to make more money but instead to lower the amount of gas used during that time so as not to create a shotage later...... I also argued the point that the gas stations have already paid for the gas in the "well" so why do thier prices change from day to day when most get filled up weekly or even biweekly. It works about the same way as the other they raise it to prevent a shortage. I dunno if you ask me I still think it is so they can make more money and if I had the money to invest.... I would dump it all in buying an oil well or stock in an oil company cause pretty soon they will be the only real money makers left in this country. Her argument sounds good in theory-but it doesn`t hold water. Read the reports from AAA-driving isn`t dropping, quite the contrary, it`s steadliy climbing. So much for the "they`re helping us to conserve" bunk.
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Post by kevin1 on Apr 7, 2007 11:59:31 GMT -5
I figure if we could do it to regular diesel in Fairbanks when it got to -70 below, it wouldn't be too hard to manage it here in the lower 48... especially in states where it rarely gets below 0. I've read up extensively on biodiesel and SVO, and there is currently no way to prevent it from gelling other than mixing it with a heavy concerntration of petrodiesel of high grade, the same way petrodiesel itself is "winterized". Kinda defeats the purpose if all you get is about a 15% dicount on your cool weather fuel costs. Also, even a highly efficient home biodiesel processing set up will still result in a fuel cost of at least $1.50 per gallon , balance that with the increased cost of cool weather processing and you end up paying nearly as much as you would just buying petrodiesel at the pump. Add to that the fact that if a way were to be found to stop the gelling the cost of biodiesel would skyrocket since way more people would want it, there's only so much used french fry oil available, and SVO runs about $2.40-2.60 per gallon wholesale already. Hardly competitive with petro. On a national scale the same folks who are bending us over at the pumps now would be the ones bending us over for a bio product, and that assumes that they could aquire enough SVO at least cost to pull that off in the first place. The amount of arable farm land large scale biodiesel processing would require would also eclipse what's already in use for food production, imagine what a bottle of Wesson oil would cost if that same land were turned over to fuel production. Think ethanol and what it's threatening to do to corn. Biodiesel is really only practical on small scale, and not by much, or the petro barons would already be exploiting it.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Apr 7, 2007 12:01:19 GMT -5
I only meant on the small scale... thus my comment on monopolizing the fry oil salvage market...
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Post by indianahick on Apr 7, 2007 14:32:07 GMT -5
What I can see about being able to use fry oil is that it would be a good way of recycling it. Does anyone know what they do with it now when they change it? Where can you get a kit to change over a diesel to run on it? What does it do as to truck warranty. Void It? I have a diesel, it actually gets better mileage than my old gasoline truck did. By at least 1/3 per gallon. And yes I still run in the 70's on highway.
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Post by kevin1 on Apr 7, 2007 21:09:38 GMT -5
Any diesel engine will run on finely strained used oil from restaurant deep fryers with little or no modification, or straight clean vegetable oil with none at all, but if the oil hasn't had it's lipids removed via conversion to biodiesel the injectors will eventually carbonize to the point of uselessness. Basically, you need a source of 150 degree heat, lye, methyl alcohol, and a way to inject both in the correct proportions while the fuel is "cooking". An ordinary 50 gallon water heater can be outfitted with a biodiesel injector system for under $1,000 total cost for set up, and will produce fuel will produce fuel of acceptable to excellent quallity at a cost of about $1.00-1.50 per gallon. As mentioned previously, the fuel will begin to gel at temperatures below 40 degrees unless blended with higher grade petrodiesel at a ratio of 85% petro to 15% bio. In my zone 6 region straight biodiesel would only be useable about 7 months per year without risk of gelling unless a way to keep the fuel tank and lines warm were to be employed.
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Post by solohunter on Apr 8, 2007 20:02:26 GMT -5
Sad, but we have ALOT of oil in the Gulf of Mexico, more than the middle east...... Solo
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Post by kevin1 on Apr 8, 2007 20:32:20 GMT -5
Sad, but we have ALOT of oil in the Gulf of Mexico, more than the middle east...... Solo You have to be able to tap into that bounty for it to be useful, thank the tree huggers for not being able to. Even if Big P were to get the green light to drill throughout the Gulf they'd just bend us over at the pump at whatever the current prices were anyway.
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Post by huxbux on Apr 8, 2007 21:22:45 GMT -5
Sad, but we have ALOT of oil in the Gulf of Mexico, more than the middle east...... Solo You have to be able to tap into that bounty for it to be useful, thank the tree huggers for not being able to. Even if Big P were to get the green light to drill throughout the Gulf they'd just bend us over at the pump at whatever the current prices were anyway. I haven't verified this, so don't chastise me too severely if I'm wrong, but I've heard that the governments of China and Mexico are in the process of drilling, (or at least in the planning stages) for these oil reserves in the gulf. If that is the case, whatever degradation of nature the environmentalists in this country were trying to prevent, will still occur, probably to a greater degree, as I would imagine they're not as mindful of the environment as we are. So....... same mess, profits go to foreign governments.
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Post by dbd870 on Apr 9, 2007 4:32:00 GMT -5
Assuming it's true that would be classic; there has been more than one time when by trying to "save" something they end up making it worse.
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Post by kevin1 on Apr 9, 2007 5:01:38 GMT -5
Mexico is well within their rights to drill off of their own coastline, and China is bargaining for rights to drill off the coat of Cuba, not our gulf coast. At present the drilling within our coastal waters is very limited , mostly off Louisiana and Texas, because of blocking actions in the courts by the environmentalists.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Apr 9, 2007 5:56:36 GMT -5
I agree D.
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Post by tenring on Apr 9, 2007 6:07:59 GMT -5
Not enough people getting involved, e-mail your Reps and Senators in DC.
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Post by solohunter on Apr 9, 2007 7:02:12 GMT -5
Sad, but we have ALOT of oil in the Gulf of Mexico, more than the middle east...... Solo You have to be able to tap into that bounty for it to be useful, thank the tree huggers for not being able to. Even if Big P were to get the green light to drill throughout the Gulf they'd just bend us over at the pump at whatever the current prices were anyway. Exactly, while I was working for AOD/Stolt Comex Seaway, we did almost all of Chevrons' dive work...the enviromental stuff was CRAZY, the restriction off of Dauphin Island and FL was really restrictive. Funny but we could not pee overboard off the coast of AL, near Dauphin Island tree huggers had high power telescopes watching our every move, sometimes there were enviromentalists on board watching for green sea turtles making sure we were not disturbing them.......killer whales , turtles...etc.... Solo
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