Banning gunfire in Marion County

Timed perfectly with the NRC meeting on PCRs..

No doubt somebody fired them up on "safety issues"..

I wonder who?

Woody,

If you think that I or anyone I know of had anything to do with this you are 100% wrong! I saw this at 11:30 last night on the news. However let me say this I predicted this would happen sooner or later in some urban county. Efforts have already took place in Hamilton and Hancock in the last ten years and other counties too that have been beaten back. I hope that sportsmen and gunowners will fight this. This will stop all shooting at 5 points Conservation Club where the IDHA meets so don't blame them either. Duck hunting at Geist at daylight and on the white river near homes, along with the DNR considering rifles and the Park allowing handguns at Ft. Harrison have all scared people and angered them to the point they push back. The threat may be perceived but perception is reality to these people.

The bullet may be that of a drug or gang realted shooting or some other idiot. It does not matter.

We will see what the NRA does as well as the all the shooters do?

We'll see more of this tactic in any county with a larger city, and some without. Use those commie ordinances!

Bullwinkle,

These are all posts by a board member of the IDHA is it not?

A Mr. Dave Delaney?

The underlying theme of all these posts is getting general citizenry, non-hunters and government officials involved in the PCR debate.

Maybe Dave’s efforts ended up with some unintended consequences?

He posted and I quote:


“And John, absolutely, make my comments as unsubstantiated claims. By the way, you might ask the county commissioners and the leadership of Purdue University if they are in favor of allowing rifles to be used during deer season. On second thought, I'll send them a note today and ask them for both of us.”

“John, I can say that I haven't tried to bring the anti gun folks into this. Now though, I don't know which people out there in positions of authority across Indiana are and are not anti'ers so that piece I don't know. I do know this. One group that I contacted asked their local law enforcement folks and there was a response provided that was sent on to the folks that are in decision making positions.”


“I will say that I have been emailed comment by law enforcement and have sent that email to the appropriate persons. Also, I believe others in authority in certain counties have taken interest in this issue and most likely have provided comment to the right folks to assure that their voice has been heard. Now, there is nothing shady or whatever in regard to this just everyday Indiana citizens making their thoughts known on this issue. I am not about to use folks names on an internet site without their specific approval. Additionally, I am not going to again contact them to ask them if I can. It just seems little out of line. I have no problem with CO's speaking for or against this issue and I have no problem with law enforcement stopping ANY new proposal if they believe it is an enforcement problem. There probably will be something sometime, probably already has happend in the past, whereby I and others "want something" that law enforcement said no to because of an enforcement issue or from their view a safety issue. If then, my "want", doesn't happen, so be it.”


“I stated before that I am against the use of high powered rifles and cowboy rifles, for a number of reasons. I have not and will not call anyone names. The disrespect for the CO's is terrible. Disagreeing with them is one thing, this stuff is something totally different. And YES, I and I alone have engaged others outside the hunting community on this issue. The anti's and animal rights folks have NO PLAY in this issue but the people who are pro-gun but CAN and DO believe that there are limits, SHOULD and WILL have a voice. Now, I'm sure that hasn't answered all the "questions" but that's fine.”

“Ok, thanks. Now on with the debate!!! Yes, Jack and I appear to be the only two that are really looking at the big picture, which probably has more to do about hunter actions, hunter ethics and other such things that can and will be affected by rule changes. And then, how those "things" can and will cast a dark cloud over aspects of hunting that will cause all of us to lose in the long run. You have to understand that perception IS reality. And we as hunters must be very, very careful about the perception because to the non-hunting public, and there is a lot of them, they don't care about "facts", they care about perception. And, their perception of rifles is REALLY, REALLY bad.”

“I'll try my best to take care of this issue for all of us. Ya just gotta, Trust Me!”

“Mr. Smiles, anytime you wish to debate this in front of the general public, please let me know, I'll be very glad to show up and present my point of view. Actually, I think it would be a good idea to do so. I will simply explain that there is no added "value" while a risk of added problems and you can explain whatever you wish. Oh, and by the way, just TRUST ME”.

“Make all the fun you wish. Just don't get mad if something happens and other folks end up having some real say. All this is in fun anyhow. Does anyone really care whether we get rifles or not?? I just wish it would warm up so you guys can go fishing and let the rest of us take care of this issue. TRUST ME!”

“I think I'm going to be on the radio this Saturday morning talking about the rifle issue. I don't know what time it will be, but I hope to get some input from the general citizenery on this issue. I'll be fair in my comments, but I will ask radio listeners across central Indiana to voice their opinion in regard to the rilfe issue. If I don't get on this Saturday, I'll be on next Saturday. WISH ME LUCK!!!!!”

AND ON THIS VERY SAME SUBJECT -

"JKD, this is going to be the trend in the urban areas and the dang rifle issue is only going to make it worse. The council might not have authority over hunting, but it does have the authority over the use of weapons, which could likely include archery. Does anyone think the sheriff is going to allow hunting anywhere in Marion County and take a lot of crap from the general citizenery? No way. This will be the trend of the future and the dang deer hunters are doing to make it worse!!!!"


This is a leader of a deer hunting organization??

No more BB guns, blow guns, paintball or slingshots???

CITY COUNTY COUNCIL PROPOSAL NO. 174, 2007
CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS-MARION COUNTY, INDIANA
INTRODUCED: 03/26/2007
REFERRED TO: Rules and Public Policy Committee
SPONSOR: Councillors Mansfield, Gray, Nytes, Pryor, Bateman, Conley and Sanders
DIGEST: amends Chapter 451, Weapons, of the Code and adds new sections restricting the use and
discharge of weapons in the Consolidated City
SOURCE:
Initiated by: Councillor Mansfield
Drafted by: Aaron E. Haith, General Counsel
LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ADOPTION: PROPOSED EFFECTIVE DATE:
Subject to approval or veto by Mayor Adoption and approvals
GENERAL COUNSEL APPROVAL: _________________________________ Date: March 23, 2007
CITY-COUNTY GENERAL ORDINANCE NO. , 2007
A PROPOSAL FOR A GENERAL ORDINANCE amending the “Revised Code of the Consolidated City
and County,” Chapter 451, Weapons and adding new sections restricting the use and discharge of
weapons in the Consolidated City.
BE IT ORDAINED BY THE CITY-COUNTY COUNCIL OF THE
CITY OF INDIANAPOLIS AND OF MARION COUNTY, INDIANA:
SECTION 1. Chapter 451 of the “Revised Code of the Consolidated City and County,” is hereby amended
by adding the words and figures that are underlined and by striking the language that is stricken through,
as follows: and by adding new sections thereto, specifically, Sec. 451-7 and Sec. 451-8, as follows:
Sec. 451-2. Firearms generally.
(a) Except as provided in this section and in Sec. 7 of this Chapter, Wwithin the police special service
district Consolidated City and County, it shall be unlawful for any person to fire off, shoot at another
person or otherwise use any dangerous weapon for any purpose other than in defense of his life or the
life of another person, or the protection of his property or property entrusted to him by another person,
that property being lawful to possess, or for practice at a range under the supervision and operation of a
governmental entity, or without the prior written approval of the department of public safety Sheriff.
(b) This section shall not apply to the United States Army, Navy or other aArmed fForces, the
National Guard, or to any duly constituted and authorized law enforcement and peace officer of any
governmental unit, or to manufacturers and to repair facilities for testing purposes within a private firing
range.
Sec. 451-3. Discharge of weapons across public ways and in public places.
(a) It shall be unlawful to shoot across or upon any public street or place, or toward a public way from
any private or public premises, any bullet, pellet, missile or object impelled from any gun, pistol, rifle or
weapon operated by means of any explosive charge, or by springs, air pressure or other means, or
impelled from a slingshot, or any other device having force directed by the user thereof.
(b) It shall be unlawful to discharge into the air from any location, except at an authorized firing range
while shooting at trap or skeet and then with shot not solid projectiles, any of the weapons described in
this section.
SECTION 2. Chapter 451 of the “Revised Code of the Consolidated City and County,” is hereby amended
by adding new sections thereto, specifically, Sec. 451-7 and Sec. 451-8, as follows:
Proposal No. 174, 2007
Page 2
Sec. 451-7. Shooting ranges.
(a) Not withstanding Sec. 2 of this Chapter and IC 14-22-31.5, it shall be unlawful to shoot any bullet,
pellet, missile, or object propelled by an explosive charge within the consolidated city and county except
at a shooting range as defined by this Chapter.
(b) A "shooting range" for purposes of this Chapter means an area designated and operated for the
purpose of the use of rifles, shotguns, pistols, muskets or similar firearms that are fired at silhouettes,
skeet, trap, paper, still board, or other similar targets, which shooting range:
(1) does not constitute a danger to persons passing by or residing near the shooting range or to
those using the shooting range facility;
(2) is structurally sound or designed so as to prevent stray missiles, bullets, arrows or other object
impelled from a gun, pistol, or any type of weapon from escaping from the boundary or walls of
the shooting range; and
(3) has passed a safety inspection.
(c) The sheriff shall develop "safety inspection" standards for and conduct such inspections to:
(1) determine if a shooting range is structurally sound and able to withstand the impact of any type of
ammunition or other impelled object and to contain the same to the premises or within the walls of
the shooting range;
(2) determine whether the conduct of shooting range activity on the site presents a danger to any
person or property outside of the perimeter walls of the facility;
(3) the standards developed and enforced by the sheriff shall not be unduly rigorous and must be
approved by the Public Safety and Criminal Justice Committee of the Council; and
(4) the sheriff or his designee shall inspect each such shooting range (a) annually and (b) before it is
opened to the public, if new, newly re-modeled or expanded.
(d) Any shooting range that does not pass inspection shall be deemed an environmental public
nuisance and shall be subject to abatement pursuant to the provisions of Sec. 575 of the Revised Code of
the City and County.
(e) Private ranges which are, restricted to the property owner’s use or his or her immediate, family
and/or friends, for indoor use of air, spring, or otherwise activated implements, except anything activated
by an explosive charge, does not constitute a shooting range under this ordinance. However, the use of
private property for such purpose may violate other Chapters of the Revised Code of the City and County.
Sec. 451-8. Written Approval by the Sheriff for Private Shooting Purposes.
(a) A person may apply to the sheriff for written approval to shoot firearms on his/her property if
his/her property is at least 15 acres for a limited period of time not to exceed one year. The application
must contain the following:
(1) Name of the person who owns the property;
(2) Names of any other persons that the owner is permitting to shoot on his/her property;
(3) Address including boundaries of where the person proposes to shoot;
(4) Time period requested to shoot; and
(5) Purpose of the request to shoot.
Proposal No. 174, 2007
Page 3
(b) The Sheriff in his sole discretion shall determine if the shooting activity on the property presents a
danger to any person, animal or property outside the boundaries of the property.
(c) The Sheriff may revoke the written approval prior to the expiration of the time permitted for
shooting if the sheriff subsequently determines that the shooting activity presents a danger to any person,
animal or property outside the boundaries of the property or is in violation of any section of this code, or of
any applicable state or federal law.
(d) The sheriff may collect a fee of $100 from the applicant.
SECTION 3. This resolution shall be in full force and effect upon adoption and compliance with I.C. 36-3-
4-14.
The foregoing was passed by the City-County Council this _____ day of __________, 2007, at _____
p.m.
ATTEST:
_____________________________________
Monroe Gray
President, City-County Council
____________________________________
Jean Ann Milharcic
Clerk, City-County Council
Presented by me to the Mayor this _____ day of ____________, 2007, at 10:00 a.m.
_____________________________________
Jean Ann Milharcic
Clerk, City-County Council
Approved and signed by me this _____ day of ____________, 2007.
____________________________________
Bart Peterson, Mayor

This is so much raw fertilizer!,Is your county next?I think this may be illegal!

Crud..... I just read this thread and it's 6pm. I can't get a reporter down to the mtg but I am going to go cover it....... If anyone knows Don Mulligan I want to talk to him at the mtg., or if anyone is going to be down there seek me out so I can interview you!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like the NRA better become a little more Hoosier oriented and quickly.

Thanks much,I do not live in Marion county but this can happen anywhere.