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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 21, 2007 5:12:25 GMT -5
ANTIOCH, Tenn.- Some people in a Nashville neighborhood are furious over a new rule that makes it illegal to own a gun.
Residents in Nashboro Village said it's unconstitutional and leaves them defenseless.
Two weeks ago, residents received a from their homeowners' association indicating that guns are not allowed on the property.
"It thought it was ironic that they say you can't have something when the United States government says you can," said resident Cristina Salajanu.
Salajanu would like to give her neighborhood management company a history lesson.
"I think it's unconstitutional," Salajanu said. "They can't tell you what to own or not to own in your own house."
Salajanu is talking about the Bill of Rights, specifically the Second Amendment, which grants citizens the right to keep and bear arms. It's been an American freedom for 215 years but Salajanu and other residents said it's been taken away from them.
"Something needs to be done," she said.
Two weeks ago, the property management company at Nashboro Village told its residents no more guns on the property.
"It incensed me that it was written the way it was," said a resident who asked not to be identified.
She said there is a serious need to feel protected here and a firearm can do that.
"We've got dark areas, the lighting is very definitely very dim," she said.
Salajanu said that burglaries started to increase since late summer...
She said she believes her neighborhood has changed since she moved in last year.
"Three weeks ago someone was stopped at gunpoint," Salajanu said. "It seems the nature of those burglaries is becoming more dangerous."
Some residents at Nashboro Village have campaigned for better lighting and more security but if they can't get either they at least want their Second Amendment rights upheld.
"If I'm walking if I'm walking my dog or if I am outside walking and if I don't feel safe and I'm licensed then I'll carry a gun," said the resident who did not want her identity disclosed.
Officials with Ghertner and Company, the property manager at Nashboro Village, would not make an on-camera comment about the gun policy but said they plan on changing the rule soon to allow firearms on the property.
However, they would make it illegal to fire those guns, which residents say is still unconstitutional.
Neighbors said they understand the gun rule is meant to keep criminals out of Nashboro Village but they don't believe that prohibiting firearms is the best way to do that.
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Mar 21, 2007 6:00:38 GMT -5
One more reason I hate homeowner associations
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 21, 2007 6:15:54 GMT -5
"The gun rule is meant to keep criminals out". Yeah right! The bad guys see it as easy pickings since the folks are unarmed.
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Post by dbd870 on Mar 21, 2007 6:36:55 GMT -5
Stupidity knows no bounds.
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Post by kevin1 on Mar 21, 2007 6:44:06 GMT -5
Not entirely correct, covenant restrictions have proven remarkably resilient when faced with court challenges as they are in their essence a contractual agreement. Think about it, you signed an agreement with your new homeowner's association agreeing to their rules. They can tell you when to paint your house, what color(s), how often to mow your grass, how high to mow it, etc. If you're stupid enough to sign an open ended contract that can be amended at any time then you'll probably just have to man up and take what's coming.
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Post by Hawkeye on Mar 21, 2007 7:21:20 GMT -5
I Agree, Having lived in Florida for most of my life I can attest to the many stupid rules inforced by the homeowners Assoc or better know as the condo commandos.The courts are over run by lawsuits brought on by ridiculous rules and regulations. Most times the individual will lose. Never,never ,never sign up.
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Post by dbd870 on Mar 21, 2007 7:26:07 GMT -5
That's good advice.
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Post by turkeyscout on Mar 21, 2007 7:35:28 GMT -5
Does any body know if tennessee and kentucky honor our indiana pistol permit. our family will be traveling to gatlinberg tn. next week. i would like to bring some protection?thanks.....turkey scout
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Post by dbd870 on Mar 21, 2007 7:38:35 GMT -5
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Post by Woody Williams on Mar 21, 2007 7:41:46 GMT -5
Does any body know if tennessee and kentucky honor our indiana pistol permit. our family will be traveling to gatlinberg tn. next week. i would like to bring some protection?thanks.....turkey scout Lots of “Packing” information here… www.packing.org/CCW Reciprocity Map www.packing.org/state/indiana/image.php?stateimage=26That looks like a yes to me...
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Post by bsutravis on Mar 21, 2007 7:59:47 GMT -5
Well......I butt heads with my HOA on a routine basis.... usually it's ME that threatens THEM with lawsuits if they don't get off my back.....and to date, they have backed off. Honestly, I'd LOVE to go to court and battle some of the crap in our covenant, but like I say, they back down at every challenge I give them.
In this particular case, in no way can a HOA create a rule like this without approval from the residents of the neighborhood. If the rule was in place when the developer created the HOA and had the by-laws submitted to the town, than you would obviously have to go to court to fight it. I'd still like to see MY neighborhood HOA President come to my door to collect my firearms...........THAT would be fun to watch. Hehehehe.
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Post by Hawkeye on Mar 21, 2007 8:12:25 GMT -5
Well......I butt heads with my HOA on a routine basis.... usually it's ME that threatens THEM with lawsuits if they don't get off my back.....and to date, they have backed off. Honestly, I'd LOVE to go to court and battle some of the crap in our covenant, but like I say, they back down at every challenge I give them. The laws are different in many states,In Florida if you Grow Oranges,Build Condos or are in the Tourist trade ,you are pretty well protected.
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Post by raporter on Mar 21, 2007 8:16:32 GMT -5
Where I live we have a HOA. We do not however have all those stupid rules about I have seen in those cookie cutter subdivisions. You got to read the rules before buying your lot or house and mainly it just set a mimimum size for you house, no trailers, a time limit to get your house inclosed once construction started. We pay $50 a year and it includes street lights and cable TV. We meet once a year to discuss any changes and since we all moved to the boonies to get away from lifes BS there will be no silly changes made. If you do not like their rules don't buy in their neighborhood. Not trying to start something just letting you know there are all kinds of HOAs.
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Post by Decatur on Mar 21, 2007 17:18:34 GMT -5
One more reason I hate homeowner associations Yep, among 1,000 others!
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Post by Old Ironsights on Mar 21, 2007 17:25:22 GMT -5
Not entirely correct, covenant restrictions have proven remarkably resilient when faced with court challenges as they are in their essence a contractual agreement. Think about it, you signed an agreement with your new homeowner's association agreeing to their rules. They can tell you when to paint your house, what color(s), how often to mow your grass, how high to mow it, etc. If you're stupid enough to sign an open ended contract that can be amended at any time then you'll probably just have to man up and take what's coming. As much of a radical RKBA agitator as I am, I must agree. And I would NEVER sign such an agreement, or an open ended one, for just such a reason and I'd take them to court if they tried to force it on me. Of course, I wouldn't be adverse to posting a few billboards saying: CRIMINALS! GUN FREE HOMES = EASY PICKINGS AT (whoever they are) HOMEOWNERS ASSN PROPERTIES - 12345 "I'm a Victem Road", Antioch TN.A few of those liberally spread around ought to get the point across...
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 21, 2007 17:36:18 GMT -5
Not entirely correct, covenant restrictions have proven remarkably resilient when faced with court challenges as they are in their essence a contractual agreement. Think about it, you signed an agreement with your new homeowner's association agreeing to their rules. They can tell you when to paint your house, what color(s), how often to mow your grass, how high to mow it, etc. If you're stupid enough to sign an open ended contract that can be amended at any time then you'll probably just have to man up and take what's coming. To state that the goobers who run an HOA can write covenants that may strip any one of us of our Constitutional rights in asanine. As Travis said-number one-come to my door and get `em. number 2-I`ll look forward to seeing you in court.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Mar 21, 2007 17:44:41 GMT -5
To state that the goobers who run an HOA can write covenants that may strip any one of us of our Constitutional rights in asanine. Actually, they can. But you don't have to sign them or live there. What they CAN'T do is make new rules without the consent of ALL the homeowners. I wrote our townhouse/condo complex's very limited set of "covenants & restrictions" (assessments for maintenance of common areas, etc.) I had to get buy-in from every owner for every rule. Once you sign a private contract saying you will abide by the rules, that's on you. Assuming I did not sign the covenants, I agree 100%.
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Post by hunter480 on Mar 21, 2007 18:16:42 GMT -5
To state that the goobers who run an HOA can write covenants that may strip any one of us of our Constitutional rights in asanine. Actually, they can. But you don't have to sign them or live there. What they CAN'T do is make new rules without the consent of . Huge difference of opinion here OIS-one that I would relish testing in court-most likely with the help of the NRA.
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Post by Old Ironsights on Mar 21, 2007 20:25:25 GMT -5
Would be fun, wouldn't it... ;D
But here's where I'm coming from:
It is a violation of your Rights for somebody to sick you repeatedly with a needle, or permenantly scar you...
Unless you sign the consent form (contract) at a Tattoo Shop.
The same goes for where you live. Any person may voluntairly give up their Rights - that's what contracts do, limit or remove Rights - but those Rights can never be involuntairly legislated away.
Anyone who knowingly signs a contract with the Devil gets what they deserve.
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Post by turkeyscout on Mar 22, 2007 7:40:18 GMT -5
THANKS dbd870 and woody ,thats just the information i needed to know..thank you thank you..............turkey scout
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