|
|
Post by Woody Williams on Mar 10, 2007 18:01:20 GMT -5
This was at the Red Brush Rifle Range close to Newburgh.
Pretty interesting. Folks all dressed up in "cowboy" garb shooting at siloutte bad guys with lever guns, pistols and shotguns.
I saw some very nice guns..
I talked to a number of them and they seemed real interested in the PCR legalization proposal.
I left over 60 handouts there on how they can contact the DNR and NRC with their input..
|
|
|
|
Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 10, 2007 23:34:39 GMT -5
This was at the Red Brush Rifle Range close to Newburgh. Pretty interesting. Folks all dressed up in "cowboy" garb shooting at siloutte bad guys with lever guns, pistols and shotguns. I saw some very nice guns.. I talked to a number of them and they seemed real interested in the PCR legalization proposal. I left over 60 handouts there on how they can contact the DNR and NRC with their input.. Good job! Going to have to go see one of these events sometime. Sounds like a fun time. |
|
|
|
Post by jackryan on Mar 11, 2007 3:28:59 GMT -5
This was at the Red Brush Rifle Range close to Newburgh. Pretty interesting. Folks all dressed up in "cowboy" garb shooting at siloutte bad guys with lever guns, pistols and shotguns. I saw some very nice guns.. I talked to a number of them and they seemed real interested in the PCR legalization proposal. I left over 60 handouts there on how they can contact the DNR and NRC with their input.. Good idea Woody. I've been to a couple of those. They saddled up a wooden barrel with a mop for a nag's head, sat on it to shoot. Most of them either never had hunted or claimed it had been a long time like your new buddy John. Now if they could just get one of Rodney's pick 'n shoot deer on a leash to drag out in front of them. May be some of these paper tiger's who don't hunt, hardly ever hunt, may be NEVER killed a deer as far as any one knows, could actually put some venison in the freezer. That is if they go out and buy one of these guns they are so expert on. Just the guys I want making up the deer hunting regulations.  Ya suppose he'll find some body to hold him up long enough to email his opinion in Woody? Nothing like having "experts" help make the "hunt'n" regulations, eh Woody?  Well at least these guys own the guns they advocate and they actually do more than just drool over ballistics tables. They shoot 'em even if some of them do wear a grass skirt to do it. Heck, maybe a few of them have even killed a deer or two. That's more than some of the advocates of this rule change can say. |
|
|
|
Post by Woody Williams on Mar 11, 2007 6:25:33 GMT -5
Same old Jack attempting to put others down that aren't Jack like.
Sorry that everyone doesn't live up to your expectations Jack, but everyone has to start some where.
No one is born a hunter, not even you..
Jack, why are you so bitter towards your fellow hunters?
|
|
|
|
Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 11, 2007 6:42:47 GMT -5
Same old Jack attempting to put others down that aren't Jack like. Sorry that everyone doesn't live up to your expectations Jack, but everyone has to start some where. No one is born a hunter, not even you.. Jack, why are you so bitter towards your fellow hunters? Good luck with that question Woody. Or, should I say 'buddy'. ;D I have been asking why he is so bitter towards everyone else ever since I started posting on the hunting boards. I made my very first post on Jacks board in fact. |
|
|
|
Post by mbogo on Mar 11, 2007 7:43:27 GMT -5
Better to have an expert on guns making the regulations, than someone that knows absolutely nothing about them.
|
|
|
|
Post by Mark T on Mar 11, 2007 8:04:54 GMT -5
"Cowboy Garb" Guess I'm gonna have to wear my lid to the gathering!!! ;D ;D ;D Mark T
|
|
|
|
Post by Old Ironsights on Mar 11, 2007 13:40:57 GMT -5
The only reason I haven't participated in CAS is because I don't have the scratch for 2ea SAA (Vaquero/Blackhawk) .357s. And Jack, you're Dang Skippy I'd rather have people who are utterly compent with their firearms making Hunting regulations. I'd much rather have a competent shootist who knows "jack" about stands, lures and baiting than a "hunter" who knows plenty of woodscraft but can't hit the broad side of a barn. It's far easier to teach woodscraft through experience than teach shooting skills without regular practice. Also, FWIW, most of the "shootists" I know also know when they are out of their league and let those more knowledgeable speak up... unlike those who seem to refuse to believe or even want to learn basic Ballistics... ... Well at least these guys own the guns they advocate and they actually do more than just drool over ballistics tables. They shoot 'em even if some of them do wear a grass skirt to do it. Heck, maybe a few of them have even killed a deer or two. That's more than some of the advocates of this rule change can say. Speak for yourself. I don't drool over ballistic tables, I simply have enough intelligence to reference them. Also, I am a 110% advocate for this Rule, and I have killed deer quite adequately with my .357 Levergun. The farthest any deer has ever gone after I have shot it is 3 steps. How many deer have you had to track? The best caliber is a well placed bullet. I am, at worst, a 2 MOA "stress" (excess adreniline) kneeling/stick shooter with iron sights. I don't and won't use scopes. I don't need to track anything I shoot. It dies cleanly and immediately wit little "excess" tiissue damage. How many times have you missed the kill zone on a deer? (I, to date, never have...) Talk to me again when you stop "tracking" wounded deer. |
|
|
|
Post by ironskillet on Mar 11, 2007 21:52:01 GMT -5
Here in Canaan Indiana, they have a shoot similar to what you are talking about. They are all dressed up in cowboy/cowgirl attire and shoot targets. They shoot once a month, and it's like going b ack in time. Located at Pleasant Valley, off of 250 East and Scottsridge Road.
|
|
|
|
Post by indianahick on Mar 11, 2007 22:37:31 GMT -5
There are two CASS groups nearby one up towards Newport and one the shot between Terre Haute and Clinton on 63. I have been to a couple of them and talked to these people they love their sport and several do reloads. I got the itch to get into it too and started looking around, it is not a cheap sport by any means. While I believe most are not ballistics experts the ones that I talked to said that they reload by a book and then reload light to lessen recoil and as they only shoot up to about 30 yards with their rifles they are not really that interested in kinetic energy except to have enough to knock over the target which is weighted and on a pivot point. Accuracy counts more in this game. Now there are some that get out the old Spencer rifles from the 1860's and on that was used by the Buffalo hunters and then they shoot at much higher ranges. Again accuracy counts more than penetration. If you liked the cowboy hero's of the 20's,30's,40's,50's, John Wayne etc then you might like this. You have to dress in period type costume, Grass skirts are not allowed.
|
|
|
|
Post by jackryan on Mar 11, 2007 23:50:49 GMT -5
Same old Jack attempting to put others down that aren't Jack like. That's funny Woody. I don't recall you saying any thing even remotely close to that when we were all posting and linking to pictures the deer farmers readily exclaimed as representing their normal operations. If it's a put down it is of their own making and totally in your own mind. I didn't say there was a thing wrong with riding around on a barrel shooting a six gun at targets. I don't see where it would make a person any more particularly qualified to determine the future of hunting though. What expectations are those that you are sorry some one doesn't live up to Woody? Sure they have to start some where but reading a hunting magazine or discovering hunting messege boards a couple months ago doesn't put some one at the top of the list for expert advice. Heck Woody, even long time hunters will sell out hunting for a corporate sponsor or a shot at saying "look at me". More than a few have done it. Where did I say I was? Is that suppose to be some kind of sideways insult Woody? Hunting makes a person a hunter. Not reading magazines and talking about hunting, nor shooting off a lawnmower/waterbarrel contraption at make believe bad guys. It might be fun but it doesn't make you a hunter and more than watching the outdoor channel and talking about hunting. If it did we'd all watch the Discovery Channel and be doctors. Why are you so bitter towards YOUR fellow hunters? Who put any one down there Woody? You solicited them to help make the rules for hunting and annouced the focus group you were soliciting not me. They are shooters and may be even hunt though you apparently feel they are not nearly as well informed as you concerning hunting issues. I'm not putting them down. I figure if they hunt and care about hunting they probably keep them selfs informed as to what is going on in hunting. I don't need to hand feed them any information to promote a personal advantage. I wouldn't even know where to start on something like that. I'm sure you are much more a much more expirienced lobbiest than I am. I merely search out facts and present them for every one to view and make their own determinations. These are examples of the focus group you have chosen to solicit concerning a hunting issue. They apparently feel they are fairly represented by the illustrations. They posted them to the world wide web their very own selves. I didn't take them. |
|
|
|
Post by jackryan on Mar 11, 2007 23:54:44 GMT -5
Good luck with that question Woody. Or, should I say 'buddy'. ;D I have been asking why he is so bitter towards everyone else ever since I started posting on the hunting boards. I made my very first post on Jacks board in fact. You sure did. At my own very gracious invitation I might add. You were the same one topic one hit wonder there you are on every other hunting board you've joined since I introduced you to the world of hunting messege boards all of what? A couple months ago? You had absolutely nothing to offer concening hunting deer with one of these rifles nor any expirience hunting deer or even shooting one for that matter. You don't even own one. You never had a single post even pretending to know or offer any thing of use to hunting or deer hunters. You wanted to constantly bicker in a public forum complaining about the legal manner in which the states law enforcement has determined we will hunt deer in this state. Your only interest was to complain about the way the rules are and want them changed. You were asked to take your debate to a private forum, viewable only by people interested enough in hunting to join the board, if you wanted to continue divisive bickering about the deer hunting regulations in this state or leave. You were not banned or prohibited from discussing the topic. You are not banned now, but you are not welcome back unless you are ready to behave in a manner in the best interest of hunting. In my opinion that doesn't include presenting your self as a hunter and publicly whining about the law to any one who will listen. Nothing like expirience to make a real expert out of guy. When's the last time you ever killed a deer John? I've never heard you say exactly if you've EVER killed one. |
|
|
|
Post by jackryan on Mar 11, 2007 23:56:52 GMT -5
Better to have an expert on guns making the regulations, than someone that knows absolutely nothing about them. It would be good to have some one who knows something about the deer herd and hunting as well. I think we pay a few people to know those things full time already. I'd rather have them making the rules than just throwing every thing about hunting up for a vote by the general public. |
|
|
|
Post by Woody Williams on Mar 12, 2007 7:33:23 GMT -5
Jack,
Every word and pictures that you posted was an attempt to put these people down. I think everyone on here realizes that. You can wiggle and say "Who me?", but we all know your message here.
They are citizens of Indiana and the USA and have every right to take up deer hunting IF they don't already do it and that is their desire.
Probably the only ones that will make that call or send that email are the ones that hunt in that group OR ones that would like to take it up -whether they have done it before or not at all.
That is a majopr selling point on these guns in that they will help to recruit new hunters.
I do agree that the DNR should NOT take votes on any NRC proposal but go by what is best for the herd and hunting. They should listen to all, but make their decision on sound data alone. But, that is not going to happen, so if someone wants something enacted or stopped they had better play by the long standing rules or forget it.
I learned that the hard way with the OBR..
PCRs will not affect you, me or anyone else in any way. It wont make a dime's worth of difference if that guy over on the next 40 acres has a lever action .44 or a 1187 12 gauge in his hands.
|
|
|
|
Post by dbd870 on Mar 12, 2007 7:53:55 GMT -5
Of course we do.
|
|
|
|
Post by pbr on Mar 12, 2007 8:20:55 GMT -5
I think he gives a whole new meaning to the word pessimist. Maybe Pessimist Grande..  |
|
|
|
Post by Old Ironsights on Mar 12, 2007 8:43:52 GMT -5
Hey Jack...
Are you forgetting someone in your disdain for PCR owners?
I don't participate in CAS/SASS. And while I will never claim to be an expert at hunting, I HAVE hunted (though not necessairly taken game) in FIVE STATES and THREE COUNTRIES on TWO CONTINENTS.
I also know how to read loading manuals and ballistic data.
Like you claim to do, I " merely search out facts and present them for every one to view and make their own determinations..." and since I really AM only worried about facts and data, I refuse to make inferences about people based upon some game they play.
However, you asked if anyone had experience with these. Here I am. I'm sorry if you can't deal with it, but I'm not going away just because you ignore me.
|
|
|
|
Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 12, 2007 11:28:28 GMT -5
Good luck with that question Woody. Or, should I say 'buddy'. ;D I have been asking why he is so bitter towards everyone else ever since I started posting on the hunting boards. I made my very first post on Jacks board in fact. You sure did. At my own very gracious invitation I might add. You were the same one topic one hit wonder there you are on every other hunting board you've joined since I introduced you to the world of hunting messege boards all of what? A couple months ago? Jan 15, if I remember right. You have the date I joined your little hate fest of a board Jack. I made 5 posts I think the day I joined. One of which was in regards to your bs attitude towards the pcr issue. While you yourself were free to voice your opinions, you told me to take my opinions to the 'private' area, which I was not allowed in, btw. I told you where you could shove your board, and you have been dogging me ever since Jack. Your attitude is deplorable, as you can post almost nothing without insulting other hunters. You had absolutely nothing to offer concening hunting deer with one of these rifles nor any expirience hunting deer or even shooting one for that matter. You don't even own one. You never had a single post even pretending to know or offer any thing of use to hunting or deer hunters. You wanted to constantly bicker in a public forum complaining about the legal manner in which the states law enforcement has determined we will hunt deer in this state. Your only interest was to complain about the way the rules are and want them changed. I don't currently own one Jack, and never said or implied I did. For what its worth, I did have a 357 Marlin that my brother now owns. So yes, I have owned and shot them before. I have owned several leverguns, but that would have been the only one that is applicable to the proposal. Also, I made other posts that same day Jack. One was some advice on shooting the 22 sss round in a 77/22, which you yourself also responded to. What upset you was when I stated 'you seem like a person with an axe to grind' on your own board. Get over it. You were asked to take your debate to a private forum, viewable only by people interested enough in hunting to join the board, if you wanted to continue divisive bickering about the deer hunting regulations in this state or leave. You were not banned or prohibited from discussing the topic. Yes, while you were free to state YOUR opinion, I was not. As I told you then, and have repeatedly told you since, YOUR attitude is the worst I have ever seen towards fellow hunters. bar none. You need to get away from hunting boards completely, you really do. This makes the third or fourth time we have rehashed this, and I will not address any further comments on it after this. Get over yourself. You are not that important. Your lack of members on your site is proof of that. You are not banned now, but you are not welcome back unless you are ready to behave in a manner in the best interest of hunting. In my opinion that doesn't include presenting your self as a hunter and publicly whining about the law to any one who will listen. Jack, in case you have missed this little item, YOU are the one whining and crying all over all the hunting boards! So far, I have simply stated I fully support the PCR. I have stood up and voiced my support for an issue coming up for a vote. Now, exactly what part of 'take your board and shove it' do you still fail to understand Jack? Nothing like expirience to make a real expert out of guy. When's the last time you ever killed a deer John? I've never heard you say exactly if you've EVER killed one. Yes, you have Jack. More than once now. We are finished here. I have never in my life dealt with such a childish man. Not on any board. Grow up and get over yourself Jack. If you were half the man you want everyone to think you are, you would have dropped this petty bs by now. So take your 'experts' outlook on this, and take some medical leave. You are simply NOT a people person Jack. How many people have to point that out for you to get a grip on yourself? |
|
|
|
Post by Woody Williams on Mar 12, 2007 12:30:34 GMT -5
You guys are getting way too personal.
I don't really like for people bringing their arguments from other boards to this one.
Please take it to PMs or emails..
Next personal attack, yep, we will lock another one and someone or two will be looking to sit a spell...
WW
|
|
|
|
Post by weedhopper on Mar 12, 2007 13:10:16 GMT -5
Axe it, Woody.  |
|
