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Post by cambygsp on Mar 9, 2007 5:31:01 GMT -5
PLEASE tell me.......how do two students manage to have intercourse IN CLASS while a teacher is present IN THE CLASS?
I have found this story very disturbing and can't imagine how this could have happened while a teacher was in the room.
Were talking middle school kids here, in a shop class!
I say FIRE the teacher!
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Post by drgreyhound on Mar 9, 2007 6:54:25 GMT -5
I didn't hear about the story, but it's very evident that the teacher should at the very least be fired immediately and lose his teaching license permanently. I suspect the kids behaving badly enough to have intercourse in class started with the values transmitted at home by their parents...or lack thereof...
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Post by danf on Mar 9, 2007 7:00:30 GMT -5
Camby- Don't be so quick to blame the teacher. I haven't heard the story you are referring to (yet), and I don't have time to look for it this morning. However, talk to any decent teacher who is teaching today, and they will be the first to tell you that kids are sneaky, lazy, and will do just about anything to get out of doing the work. Not all kids, but a good number of them. Not to mention there's usually 20-25+ kids per class, with VERY FEW aides. My wife teaches middle school, so I talk to a teacher on a fairly regular basis. Again, I don't know the story, but in shop class I could see it being very easy for kids to sneak off and not get caught right away. My wife has *one* class of 12; the rest are anywhere from 22-26 kids. I don't think she's had an aide in the classroom all year. Now, try to imagine keeping control over 25 kids in a shop class, with running power equipment. If the kids aren't running equipment, you probably won't be paying as much attention to them. It's the ones running the equipment that you rightfully should be paying attention to. Don't string up the teacher, unless, of course, we find out the teacher was sitting at thier desk the whole time and the kids were truly unsupervised.
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Post by drgreyhound on Mar 9, 2007 7:07:29 GMT -5
Camby- Don't be so quick to blame the teacher. I haven't heard the story you are referring to (yet), and I don't have time to look for it this morning. However, talk to any decent teacher who is teaching today, and they will be the first to tell you that kids are sneaky, lazy, and will do just about anything to get out of doing the work. Not all kids, but a good number of them. Not to mention there's usually 20-25+ kids per class, with VERY FEW aides. My wife teaches middle school, so I talk to a teacher on a fairly regular basis. Again, I don't know the story, but in shop class I could see it being very easy for kids to sneak off and not get caught right away. My wife has *one* class of 12; the rest are anywhere from 22-26 kids. I don't think she's had an aide in the classroom all year. Now, try to imagine keeping control over 25 kids in a shop class, with running power equipment. If the kids aren't running equipment, you probably won't be paying as much attention to them. It's the ones running the equipment that you rightfully should be paying attention to. Don't string up the teacher, unless, of course, we find out the teacher was sitting at thier desk the whole time and the kids were truly unsupervised. Yes--but the teacher has the ultimate responsibility to control what goes on in his or her classroom, "distractions" aside...
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 9, 2007 7:09:15 GMT -5
I agree. Where is the teacher!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by solohunter on Mar 9, 2007 7:15:12 GMT -5
I am not saying much, do to the fact of a particular action of mine while in class 29 years ago...things have not changed much... Solohunter
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Post by indianahick on Mar 9, 2007 10:18:18 GMT -5
Have not heard about this. Where did it happen, County only. Middle School-as in 7th or 8th grade, maybe 9th? As I recall all those many years ago in a different time and a different place that is when touchy feely became important. And there was always both boys and girls that were more advanced and adventurous than others. And in a shop class the teacher should have help if for not other reason than all of the equipment that can cause serious and permanent damage to the human body. The teacher should quite probably paid more attention to what was going on even if he had to stop whatever student that he was paying most attention to.
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Post by jackc99 on Mar 9, 2007 10:24:55 GMT -5
Personally I'd fire the parents before firing the teacher.
Jack
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Post by tmarsh83 on Mar 9, 2007 10:42:38 GMT -5
I'm with Jack. If either one of these kids had an ounce of parenting in the prior 12 years, this would be a non-issue. Parents don't take any responsability for their kids anymore. My fiance teaches, and I see and hear the stories all the time. It is unexcusable.
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Post by cambygsp on Mar 9, 2007 12:12:09 GMT -5
Raymond Park Middle School (Warren Township, Marion County)
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Post by bsutravis on Mar 9, 2007 14:02:51 GMT -5
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Post by cambygsp on Mar 9, 2007 14:44:59 GMT -5
I agree 100% that the children have a lack of parenting......however that still don't excuse the teacher that is supposed to have controll of the class room!
It's amazing that 10 children can see whats going on but the teacher can't!
It's also quite AMAZING that the school system has attempted to sweep thios incident under the rug.
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Post by retnuhreed on Mar 9, 2007 19:29:03 GMT -5
My guess is there were seperate rooms attached to a large shop room that they snuck into.
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Post by JohnSmiles on Mar 9, 2007 21:51:36 GMT -5
I am not saying much, do to the fact of a particular action of mine while in class 29 years ago...things have not changed much... Solohunter lmao. Yeah, I knew a VERY curious girl in 6th grade also..... I read about this elsewhere, and it was stated there was a look out keeping track of the teacher. Can't come up with much of an excuse as to how 10 kids could be involved watching 2 others have intercourse, and the teacher could remain oblivious to that many kids. Unless the teacher was also watching . . . . And also, the best parents in the world will not change the mind of a kid 'in love'. Mine sure couldn't, and there were the best parents ever put on this Earth. Not saying these two are, as it sounds more like a truth or dare thing to me. Kids having sex this young is nothing new. 13 was a prime age to marry here in America not too long ago. Still a good age in some places even today. But being gutsy enough to do it in front of half your classroom DURING CLASS is a bit over the top.
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Post by hoythunter02 on Mar 9, 2007 22:21:57 GMT -5
while they didnt have sex in school a guy and girl in my elementary school had intercourse. they were both 12. pretty shocking to do it in class though. when i read the title i thought for sure highschool kids.
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Post by danf on Mar 9, 2007 22:38:46 GMT -5
Shocking? I guess it could be if you are out-of-touch with what kids that age actually do. Yes, it's very concerning that they did it in school, but having heard the stories from my wife, it's not too shocking to me.
She has had girls in eighth grade each of the last two years that have been pregnant. Sixth grade is a little younger than what my wife runs into as far as starting the sex stuff, but I can easily see some getting into it (absolutely NO pun intended) closer to Indy like these kids are/were.
Like I said before, so many people are so quick to blame the teachers. However, Jack hit the nail on the head; 99% of the time it starts at home. 99% of the trouble makers have parents that believe that their kids can "do no wrong". It's these same kids that have no respect for the teachers, administrators, other kids or even their own parents. Even kids that are otherwise decent kids have little to no respect for the teachers because of what they are allowed to do at home.
If you have kids, and the teacher calls and says your kid did something wrong, didn't turn something in, was acting up, etc, etc, etc, how many of you would take the teacher's word for it and disipline your kid when they got home? On this board, I would imagine the vast majority. However, SOOO many parents dismiss what the teacher says and instead believe what the kid tells them.
Get the kids to respect the teachers, administrators, and the other students, and you wouldn't have problems like this. Likewise, get the school board to hire a couple more teachers and reduce numbers in the classrooms, and the teachers could then supervise the kids like they need to be...
Yes, some of the fault *may* lie with the teacher in question. But a lot of it lies with the parents, and almost as much lies with the school board and administration.
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Post by indianahick on Mar 10, 2007 0:10:54 GMT -5
While it is shocking to think of them having sex in class. You have to also take a look at how they set it up. A designated watcher that was supposed to distract teacher, 10 students watching and probably willing to distract teacher until they got done. We know of one girl that had sex between her 7th and 8th grade years. Parents separated, living with others, treated as live in baby sitter. I think that sometimes it is like a self esteem type of thing where they are looking for someone or something that they are missing at home. They seem a little young by todays standards but when you think that only a little over 100 years ago a girl 12-15 was married off mainly to just get her out of the house. While not right it is also when the natural urge to mate begins.
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Post by Decatur on Mar 10, 2007 6:28:59 GMT -5
I'm not so sure it's the teachers fault. Where there's a will, there's a way!
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Post by tmeasel on Mar 10, 2007 6:36:09 GMT -5
All we did in shop was make a wooden stool. I new I had the crummy class.
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