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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Feb 19, 2007 12:19:41 GMT -5
Now there is a big difference between an AR-15 and Full Auto M-16.Here is a pic of my buddies Colt M-16(yes it's all legal)  |
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Post by parson on Feb 19, 2007 12:22:54 GMT -5
I just went to Outdoor Life site and read zumbo's apology for his earlier statement. I don't know if it's just "damage control" or a sincere regret based upon the fact that he was wrong. However, he is retracting earlier statements.
I know that, having been speaking before people for 27 years, I've said things that I wished I could have taken back. I've also learned to think twice before I speak (or write) once.
pason
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Post by Old Ironsights on Feb 19, 2007 13:13:03 GMT -5
The Government doesn't think we need ARs either... www.govtrack.us/data/us/bills...10/h/h1022.pdfAnd remember folks, people who own these rifles will to a man back you uneqiuvically in your rights to own your shotgun, pistol, leveraction, or muzzle loader, what have you. Please return the favor. Your gun rights are won or lost here and now.  |
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Post by jstalljon on Feb 19, 2007 16:11:44 GMT -5
Saw this and laughed out loud.... 
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Post by hunter480 on Feb 19, 2007 17:28:20 GMT -5
Well he did they same thing that some who want to ban high fence hunting are doing,Its called divide and conqer....He is a darling of the anti gunners who see him as a great example of hunters who are divided.The same as the High fence hunting ban proponents are the momentarily hero's of the anti hunters! Good lesson here for all those who want to ban something THEY don't agree with,Live and let live should be practiced more by all outdoors man,Anytime the Humane society is on your side as with the high fence ban,You know your not a friend to ANY hunter...Chuck CHEAP post- You can`t compare the two-the right to bear arms is grounded in the Second Amendment, the sickening "thing" you call hunting, inside a high fence is a blight on hinting and ethical hunters. Nice try-but nobody`s buying it. |
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Post by hunter480 on Feb 19, 2007 17:37:15 GMT -5
I was just at OL-wanted to check the lasest post`s on the Zumbo Blog-but his Blog has been pulled.
Dunno about you all, but I think the reaction was waaay to strong-certainly, what he said was stupid and inaccurate, but many who responded were just being nasty and mean-just because they could. It`s a sad thing that people are like wolves, ready to tear someone to pieces for a remark that was a mistake. I`ve made remarks I wish I could take back-I`d be willing to bet all of you have too-hopefully, we won`t be judged as quickly and harshly as Zumbo.
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Post by Sasquatch on Feb 19, 2007 17:40:18 GMT -5
I hate to see a good career ruined because of one stupid statement. A sad situation.
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Post by gundude on Feb 19, 2007 17:48:59 GMT -5
Well he did they same thing that some who want to ban high fence hunting are doing,Its called divide and conqer....He is a darling of the anti gunners who see him as a great example of hunters who are divided.The same as the High fence hunting ban proponents are the momentarily hero's of the anti hunters! Good lesson here for all those who want to ban something THEY don't agree with,Live and let live should be practiced more by all outdoors man,Anytime the Humane society is on your side as with the high fence ban,You know your not a friend to ANY hunter...Chuck This mesage brought to you by the " Friends of Rodney Bruce Foundation.... Ethics and tradtion be damned as long as we can make a dime at the States expense!"........" Nice try chuker................ ZUMBO stuck his foot in his mout and so did a few others around our State as well for agreeing with him....... They are paying the rpice for that as well.......... Don't even try to draw a parallel here because there is none. |
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Post by Old Ironsights on Feb 19, 2007 18:05:48 GMT -5
Maybe y'all remember what I said about how the anti's jump on stupid and impolitic posts on websites?
Sometimes I really hate being Right...
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Post by hunter480 on Feb 19, 2007 18:15:01 GMT -5
Maybe y'all remember what I said about how the anti's jump on stupid and impolitic posts on websites? Sometimes I really hate being Right... Glad you`re pleased with yourself. We still need to police ourselves and not go along with anything-as some suggest-just to show a unity within our ranks to everyone on the outside looking in. That, and I seriously doubt any of our remarks carry the weight they DID, coming from Jim Zumbo. It would be flattering, but not likely. |
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 19, 2007 18:24:15 GMT -5
I was just at OL-wanted to check the lasest post`s on the Zumbo Blog-but his Blog has been pulled. Dunno about you all, but I think the reaction was waaay to strong-certainly, what he said was stupid and inaccurate, but many who responded were just being nasty and mean-just because they could. It`s a sad thing that people are like wolves, ready to tear someone to pieces for a remark that was a mistake. I`ve made remarks I wish I could take back-I`d be willing to bet all of you have too-hopefully, we won`t be judged as quickly and harshly as Zumbo. Looks like Outdoor Life got tired of the web hits and bad publicity. IMO - After it become real apparent that Jim's half arsed apolgy garnered very little, if any, support they should have yanked it then. I know if it had been my site I would have pulled it a lot quicker than they did. Some of the posts will become more fodder for the antis. However, I can fully understand their extreme displeasure. Statement from Outdoor Life
Due to the controversy surrounding Jim Zumbo's recent postings, Outdoor Life has decided to discontinue the "Hunting With Zumbo" blog for the time being.
Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of our Second Amendment rights, which do not make distinctions based on the looks of the firearms we choose to own, shoot and take hunting . Please direct any comments you have to OLletters@time4.com. |
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Post by Chucker on Feb 19, 2007 22:32:01 GMT -5
Im sorry the truth hurts so bad 480 and gundude.The only differance in what Zumbo did and what the anti high fence crowd does is one lends support to anti gunners and the other anti hunters...Nice try but your right nobodys buying it,there waking up more and more every day to the fact that if you support PETA or the HSUS then chances are your no friend to ANY hunter.....fence or no fence. Chuck
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Post by hunter7x on Feb 20, 2007 9:20:34 GMT -5
Wow guys.... I don't think he needs to be hung for an opinion. So what if he doesnt' think assult rifles should be used for hunting. I don't either. They have a use and a purpose but I don't see what place they have in the deer woods.
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Post by pbr on Feb 20, 2007 9:34:21 GMT -5
Wow guys.... I don't think he needs to be hung for an opinion. So what if he doesnt' think assult rifles should be used for hunting. I don't either. They have a use and a purpose but I don't see what place they have in the deer woods. "Deer woods" was not mentioned in Mr. Zumbo's attack. He said that they should be a"banned" from hunting. They are fine predator rifles. Mr. Zumbo, like so many other hunters, has a myopic view on hunting. If it is not his/their way it is wrong. |
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Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Feb 20, 2007 9:39:21 GMT -5
The vast majority of AR-15's that people have (including me) is not selective fire,which does not make it an assualt rifle..I could change the furniture on my Ruger 10/22 and pop in my 50 round mag,does that make it an assualt weapon??
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The AK-47 is the world's most common assault rifle.An assault rifle is a selective fire rifle or carbine firing ammunition with muzzle energies intermediate between those typical of pistol and battle rifle ammunition. Assault rifles are categorized between light machine guns, intended more for sustained automatic fire in a support role, and submachine guns, which fire a handgun cartridge rather than a rifle cartridge. Assault rifles are the standard small arms in most modern armies, having largely replaced or supplemented larger, more powerful battle rifles, such as the World War II-era M1 Garand and Tokarev SVT. Examples of assault rifles include the M16 rifle and the AK-47. Semi-automatic rifles, including commercial versions of the AR-15, and "automatic" rifles limited to firing single shots are not assault rifles as they are not selective fire. Belt-fed weapons or rifles with very limited capacity fixed magazines are also generally not assault rifles.
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Post by hunter7x on Feb 20, 2007 9:40:03 GMT -5
Ok so isn't the same thing happening to him now ?
And hunting to me is the deer woods...it's a generalization, sorry I should have said it differently.
I would love to see some numbers of this huge group who uses them for anything other than having one in the closet.
Heck Remington should give him a raise not fire him !! This whole deal should sell some stuff !! LOL EVERYone will be rushing out to buy this new secret tack driver rifle before next season starts !!
That last part was sarcasim.
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Post by pbr on Feb 20, 2007 9:49:23 GMT -5
Ok so isn't the same thing happening to him now ? He has been severely chastised by the community that he "was" representative of. He is no longer a spsokemen for us. There is a lot of hunting out there besides deer. . You would be surprised as to how many is out there. Remington will do very well just because they did dump him. if they had stayed behind him, they would have lost big time. See S & W with their BOHICA bow to Clinton. Noted. |
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Post by Old Ironsights on Feb 20, 2007 10:41:55 GMT -5
It's not even so much his desire to have Game Departments prohibitthe use of AR/AKs (as if they are any different than Mini-14/30s...) but his declaration that ARs (the ones he was so appaled that his hunting compatriots were using) were "Terrorist Weapons".
AFAIK, the only terrorists that use ARs/M16s are the ones who have stolen them off the bodies of our troops... unless he thinks that everybody who carries them - out troops included - are Terrorists.
For that statement alone he needed to be fired.
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Post by jwkimber45 on Feb 20, 2007 10:53:35 GMT -5
Ageed. Aparently Remington does too!!!! |
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Post by randyb on Feb 20, 2007 13:22:02 GMT -5
While hunter7x I agree with the principle of free speech(and I do support your voicing your viewpoint and agree with it as I said in principle.) , I also believe that we have the choice to speak and choose not to support someone who does not support what we do. In this case that a semi-automatic firearm is not a terrorist weapon, but a viable hunting platform. With the exception of cosmetics an AR-15, AK-47, Rem. 7400, Ruger Mini-14, all fire a centerfire round in a semi-automatic platform. Just because an AR-15 uses a .223 can be argued if it truely is an acceptable deer rifle, but to argue that it is not an efficent varmint rifle is a wee bit on the silly side since it has been busting pairie dogs, coyotes for years. The same arguement about bolt action "sniper rifles", 12 ga. "Streetsweepers", "Saturday Night Specials", etc. is an attempt to coin an evil term to a tool.
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