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Post by bsutravis on Oct 6, 2006 11:29:22 GMT -5
While it's nice to know that 3 Pacers are all LEGAL to carry firearms for personal protection.... it doesn't excuse their behavior as part as once was a class act organization that has went to the dumps the past 3 seasons.
I wont even get into what happened last night...... The REAL question is whether HatchetJack was at the Rio watching everything unfold! I heard he has a private table just off the stage.... hehehe.
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Post by hunter480 on Oct 6, 2006 11:59:41 GMT -5
Greeeat. Just heard on the news that Stephen Jackson, (imagine that), threw shots last night at a strip club.
The prosecutor had better handle this harshly if the facts warrant-this will play right into the hands of the folks who mistakenly believe that us packing is a danger to them.
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Post by supr87gt on Oct 6, 2006 12:02:27 GMT -5
\ The prosecutor had better handle this harshly if the facts warrant-this will play right into the hands of the folks who mistakenly believe that us packing is a danger to them. True. However, ( in no way am I sticking up for him or saying he did the right thing) the other party did just try to run him over and from what I hear came pretty close to it. Now Im not sure that shooting them is the right thing to do but that is kind of along the lines of self defense to me.
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Post by chicobrownbear on Oct 6, 2006 12:19:55 GMT -5
Did he miss? I would expect that from a Pacer.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 6, 2006 12:23:49 GMT -5
Did he miss? I would expect that from a Pacer. Good one. LOL LOL
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Post by hunter480 on Oct 6, 2006 12:57:26 GMT -5
Here`s the thing-Indiana law allows the use of deadly force IF you, or someone else is confronted with an assault that a reasonable person would deem life threatening, or would cause great bodily harm. This will be for investigators to figure out, and the prosecutor to decide, but it`s hard to make the argument that, even after having been hit, a car leaving the scene was a continued threat to him. It would be like shooting someone in the back as they were running away after having punched you.
There is going to be a LOT of public scrutiny over this due to all the recent attention given the lifetime carry permits, and the measure to allow carry on DNR properties. We`ve been saying, and rightfully so, that the majority of law-abiding people carrying, aren`t threats to anyone but the bad guys. But you can bet that this incident will start the yapping all over again, and the prosecutor, IF THE FACTS WARRANT IT, should come down hard on Jackson for firing his weapon. Because he`s a Pacer, he should not be treated any differently than you or I would. I`ve already read though that pot was found in a Pacers vehicle, but no arrests were made because: “police were unable to determine who it belonged to”. I can already see how cheesy it`s started, let`s hope they turn this around and handle it the right way-fairly.
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Post by kyle on Oct 6, 2006 13:02:22 GMT -5
I would have done the same thing if somebody tried to run over me. a car can be used as a deadly weapon.
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Post by jackc99 on Oct 6, 2006 13:30:39 GMT -5
Travis - I left early and missed all the fun.
Jack
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Post by hunter480 on Oct 6, 2006 16:57:41 GMT -5
I would have done the same thing if somebody tried to run over me. a car can be used as a deadly weapon. As it`s leaving the scene it`s not a threat to you any longer, therefore, you may not LAWFULLY discharge your weapon at it.
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Post by greendeem on Oct 6, 2006 17:10:05 GMT -5
How do you know the car is not going to turn around and come back at you? Or stop and back up? If a person is in a gunfight and the other party decides to run away from them do you think this is leaving the scene? Fact is he may be retreating to find better cover. It's hard to judge someones actions if you weren't there.
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Post by hunter480 on Oct 6, 2006 18:54:14 GMT -5
How do you know the car is not going to turn around and come back at you? Or stop and back up? If a person is in a gunfight and the other party decides to run away from them do you think this is leaving the scene? Fact is he may be retreating to find better cover. It's hard to judge someones actions if you weren't there. If the car was coming back at him, then yes, it represented a threat, but driving away-nope. As for your statement that someone running away from a gunfight may be running to find cover-I personally wouldn`t want to have to attempt to make a case for self defense when I`ve shot someone in the back. The prosecutor and the police absolutely WILL judge your actions if you discharge your weapon.
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Post by bsutravis on Oct 6, 2006 18:56:08 GMT -5
Dang the luck Jack!!!!
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Post by Hawkeye on Oct 6, 2006 20:48:32 GMT -5
Why were they there in the first place.Like I told my son many times,If you were not there it could not have happened. Seems like many sports figures are nothing more than high price thugs. If they did not have athletic ability they would be mugging people for a living.
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Post by jajwrigh on Oct 6, 2006 23:11:27 GMT -5
Well said, Hawkeye...some role models ?
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Post by indianahick on Oct 7, 2006 0:08:49 GMT -5
When Barkley said that he did not want to be a role model he said it all. May be it is long past the time when athletes are looked upon as role models. Between steroids, drugs, and just down right bad behavior very few are worth really looking up to in other way than being athletes. Why is it that we set them on pinnicles from Junior High thru professional.
Then you always have the guy that feels he has to test himself against someone like Jackson. Those guys just want to have a life and be able to do things too. Just think about the mess that idiot with the beer caused in Detroit. Had he not attacked the Pacers none of that would have happened.
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 7, 2006 5:31:27 GMT -5
That had me rolling - excellent work.
It sounds like the self defense claim could be on shaky ground we'll have to see when all the details are examined and come out.
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Post by bsutravis on Oct 7, 2006 6:15:28 GMT -5
This is the IPD release to the media about the incident......Note near the bottome that IPD says that Jackson's firing of the 9mm appears to have been in self defense.
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Today, October 6th, at approximately 2:59 a.m., police were dispatched to Club Rio at W 38th Street and Gemco Lane on the report of a disturbance with shots fired. Upon arrival, they found four players from the Indiana Pacers who had been involved in an altercation in the parking lot. They were Stephen Jackson, Jamal Tinsley, Marquis Daniels and Jimmie "Snap" Hunter. The other parties involved had fled the scene. The investigation has determined so far that there was some sort of a verbal confrontation that went out into the parking lot after closing which then turned into a physical confrontation. During the fight, Stephen Jackson was struck in the mouth, causing injury and bleeding. Three black males in a 1980's GM, two-door sedan, blue in color with chrome rims, tried to run Stephen Jackson over, striking him in the leg. He reportedly went over the hood but escaped serious injury. At some point during this confrontation Jackson took out a 9 mm handgun and fired five rounds, A video from the club showed at least one shot being fired into the air, and the vehicle striking Jackson before going out of the camera view. The vehicle left the area. The three males inside were described as follows: #1 - B/M, early - mid 20's, 5'6" - 8", stocky, bald with a red and black cap with the letters BB. He goes by a street name of "Dino". #2 - B/M, mid 20's, short, thin with short hair wearing a sleeveless white t-shirt and dark pants. He has only a thumb and two fingers on each hand, and "short"-handicapped arms. He goes by the street name of "Fingers". #3- B/M, late 20's to early 30's, dark skinned, heavy set and bald. If anybody has information regarding these three individuals or their car, please contact IPD. During the course of the investigation, both Jamal Tinsley and Marquis Daniels admitted they had guns in their vehicles and gave officers permission to search the vehicles for the weapons. While searching for the weapon in Tinsley's vehicle, a very small amount of marijuana was found on the passenger side of the vehicle. There had also been three other individuals in the car with Tinsley. No arrest was made for the marijuana since it could not be determined to whom it belonged. Tinsley, Jackson and Daniels all have valid licenses to carry a handgun, so no firearms arrests were made. The investigation is on-going to determine if Jackson did indeed act in self-defense or in a reckless manner. All indications to this point indicate a self-defense motive on his part. The video tape and 911 recordings will hopefully be available Monday for release, depending on the investigators work and the prosecutor's needs. Jackson was limping however he refused medical treatment at the scene. -32-
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Post by jackc99 on Oct 7, 2006 21:40:28 GMT -5
As a former chemist I spent most of today with an old collegue who happens to run the drug analyses section of the Marion County Forensics Lab. He was telling me that at least 2 of the Pacers involved in this fracas had 2 drug strikes against them with the league and they were testing the baggie for fingerprints to assist the NBA. Third strike and you're out.
The guns were pretty neat also. Everybody was carrying a Glock except Jackson who had the gold-triggered and pearl-handled Taurus 9 mm. Ten million a year and he carries a Taurus?
Jack
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Post by greghopper on Oct 7, 2006 22:08:05 GMT -5
Discharge of Firearm in city Limts....No ticket??? Selfdefence...ok i Guess!!!!!
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Post by dbd870 on Oct 8, 2006 4:48:28 GMT -5
Discharging the firearm is not illegal if done in self defense so I would not expect that at this point.
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