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Mar 12, 2008 11:52:32 GMT -5
Post by birddog on Mar 12, 2008 11:52:32 GMT -5
It's time for the politicians to stop screwing around with what-if's and open up the North Slope! The Caribu will adjust just fine!!!!!!!
TRUER WORDS NEVER SPOKEN......
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Mar 12, 2008 14:12:03 GMT -5
Post by daworz on Mar 12, 2008 14:12:03 GMT -5
Its time somebody did something? This is just plane price gaugeing and i have yet to see any of the Politacal debates talk about help with lowering the price of gas, they do say though that we are to depent on forgien (sp), ya like we did'nt already know that? And there getting some kick back or something from these oil company's, plus they dont have to spend there money for gas they travel all over on or dime!!!!! They better do something and real Fast.
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Mar 12, 2008 14:48:53 GMT -5
Post by hountzmj on Mar 12, 2008 14:48:53 GMT -5
Actually contrary to popular belief the North Slope of Alaska is open to oil extraction and drilling. It is the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge (ANWAR) that is closed.
If you would care to do a bit of research instead of speaking from emotion you would know that the North Slope contained about 36 Billion Barrels of oil and that ANWAR has about 16 billion additional barrels. This is but a drop in the bucket or worldwide supplies. Especially when you consider that we have pumped most of the oil out of the existing fields and only have about 3 billion barrels remaining + ANWAR. So at best we have +/- 20 billion barrels in Alaska. There is also a small amount in Texas and the Gulf of Mexico.
Globally there are +/- 1200 billion barrels in reserve. The U.S. has a touch less that 2% of the worlds oil.
We use +/- 20 million barrels of oil today. So in a perfect world where we could just suck all of our oil out of the ground as fast as we can use it... we would have at best a 1000 day supply of our own oil. This assumes that this oil is easy to get at, no hurricanes, earthquakes and whatnot. It will never happen that way.
Not to mention the fact that someone will want to get paid for that oil. Property owners whose land is used, governments for the mineral rights, drill companies, pump companies, refineries. It still wouldn't be free. It may be a tiny bit cheaper than getting it from the middle east but not much in the grand scheme of things.
So sure. We can open up ANWAR and suck it dry. It won't do a bit of good on the gas prices we pay at the corner gas station. It will however pollute a unique and fragile environment (remember the Exxon Valdez accident). Is it worth it to you? Do you really want to save $1.00 on each fill up (that is an optimistic savings amount)? Oil is going away. Fast. I'm in my late 20's. My grandchildren will think we are nuts when they hear about the way we use oil today. Globally there is only about 35 years of oil left. Most people reading this posting will be alive when our oil economy finally ends once and for all. Sure technology will squeeze a bit more out... but the end is coming. Soon.
Cheap oil and gas is not the answer to our economic problems. Rather expensive oil and gas is the key. So expensive that it hurts every single time you fill up or turn up the thermostat. It needs to hurt enough to make people look around and find a better way.
Because when we find that better way to cheaper and more efficient energy there will be a boom economy of epic proportions. Like no one has ever see before. I desperately hope I live to see it.
--hountzmj
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Mar 12, 2008 17:30:08 GMT -5
Post by Hoosier Hunter on Mar 12, 2008 17:30:08 GMT -5
I still believe automakers are holding back on fuel efficiency. The improvements we see every couple of years seem negligible. They could make an astronomical difference on this problem. It's like lets use it all up as fast as we can and when its over it over!
Everything is going to get so freaking expensive it's going force a lot companies out of business. I can't image what this is costing our shipping industry. All these rising costs come down to us, the consumer, paying it the end.
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Mar 12, 2008 19:50:19 GMT -5
Post by handgun357 on Mar 12, 2008 19:50:19 GMT -5
$3.45 today at 7/11 corner store...When does it end?... Supposed to be over $4.00 a gallon by summer... Today is 3-14-08...
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Mar 13, 2008 6:17:39 GMT -5
Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 13, 2008 6:17:39 GMT -5
Actually contrary to popular belief the North Slope of Alaska is open to oil extraction and drilling. It is the Alaskan National Wildlife Refuge (ANWAR) that is closed. If you would care to do a bit of research instead of speaking from emotion you would know that the North Slope contained about 36 Billion Barrels of oil and that ANWAR has about 16 billion additional barrels. This is but a drop in the bucket or worldwide supplies. Especially when you consider that we have pumped most of the oil out of the existing fields and only have about 3 billion barrels remaining + ANWAR. So at best we have +/- 20 billion barrels in Alaska. There is also a small amount in Texas and the Gulf of Mexico. Globally there are +/- 1200 billion barrels in reserve. The U.S. has a touch less that 2% of the worlds oil. We use +/- 20 million barrels of oil today. So in a perfect world where we could just suck all of our oil out of the ground as fast as we can use it... we would have at best a 1000 day supply of our own oil. This assumes that this oil is easy to get at, no hurricanes, earthquakes and whatnot. It will never happen that way. Not to mention the fact that someone will want to get paid for that oil. Property owners whose land is used, governments for the mineral rights, drill companies, pump companies, refineries. It still wouldn't be free. It may be a tiny bit cheaper than getting it from the middle east but not much in the grand scheme of things. So sure. We can open up ANWAR and suck it dry. It won't do a bit of good on the gas prices we pay at the corner gas station. It will however pollute a unique and fragile environment (remember the Exxon Valdez accident). Is it worth it to you? Do you really want to save $1.00 on each fill up (that is an optimistic savings amount)? Oil is going away. Fast. I'm in my late 20's. My grandchildren will think we are nuts when they hear about the way we use oil today. Globally there is only about 35 years of oil left. Most people reading this posting will be alive when our oil economy finally ends once and for all. Sure technology will squeeze a bit more out... but the end is coming. Soon. Cheap oil and gas is not the answer to our economic problems. Rather expensive oil and gas is the key. So expensive that it hurts every single time you fill up or turn up the thermostat. It needs to hurt enough to make people look around and find a better way. Because when we find that better way to cheaper and more efficient energy there will be a boom economy of epic proportions. Like no one has ever see before. I desperately hope I live to see it. --hountzmj Hey pal! It is emotional when retirement is not too far away...
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Mar 13, 2008 6:48:23 GMT -5
Post by turkeyscout on Mar 13, 2008 6:48:23 GMT -5
...heres' another view, back in the earily 90"s, i worked for general motors in anderson, in a plant that made heavy duty starters and heavy duty delcotrons or generators, management came out to the floor and said "this is going to be the future"we were about to enter a world of fully electric automobles and the heart of that car "the electric motor" was ready and going to be manufactored right here in this plant 17.after getting things in order in part of our plant, just out the blue someone pulled the plug and not another word was said.i think we were bought out by big oil companies, at that time there was proto type vehicles being tested all over the united states and having good results, they are all gone now!!!we could have been ready for this!!now they got us in a bad spot and its snowballing!! the technology is out there, but big oil business got us in a vise!!!!! just my two cents.........turkey scout
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Mar 13, 2008 8:37:49 GMT -5
Post by hornharvester on Mar 13, 2008 8:37:49 GMT -5
If you are P.O. at gas prices just remember that when you go vote this fall. h.h.
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Mar 28, 2008 12:58:55 GMT -5
Post by DEERTRACKS on Mar 28, 2008 12:58:55 GMT -5
$3.21 this morning....
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Mar 28, 2008 17:02:46 GMT -5
Post by handgun357 on Mar 28, 2008 17:02:46 GMT -5
$3.15 today...........
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Mar 28, 2008 17:27:46 GMT -5
Post by huxbux on Mar 28, 2008 17:27:46 GMT -5
Not sure where you're getting your information from hountzmj. Maybe you have some info no one else is aware of. The airlines have put in orders for aircraft, all sporting petroleum based engines, that will not be fulfilled for 25 yrs into the future. I doubt they'd make a commitment like that if they believed the oil would run out. I saw a film clip a few months ago of pres. Jimmy Carter giving a speech during the oil crises of the 70's. With a deadly serious look on his face, he declared that the world's oil reserves would be depleted within 20 yrs. The world's full of Chicken Littles and their "sky is falling" attitude, Al Gore being Chicken Little #1. Don't fall for their scams. People who know the truth will tell you that there are proven oil reserves that will last for the next 300 yrs. Most of the oil we import comes from friendlies. Canada and Mexico mostly. 25% comes from the middle east. Anwar and the Gulf of Mexico hold large reserves which need to be exploited. Anwar is millions of acres of barren moonscape, most of which supports no living thing. The oil companies require a 2000 acre footprint to access that oil. If you want to blame anyone for the price of gas, look to your government agencies (EPA) and environmental groups who refuse to allow drilling and exploration and want to send you back into the dark ages. Simple supply and demand is the reason for the price, and private enterprise, as always, is the solution. Government entities have never solved anything.
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Mar 28, 2008 21:50:56 GMT -5
Post by hountzmj on Mar 28, 2008 21:50:56 GMT -5
Ok. Perhaps I should have said that "cheap" oil is going away fast. We will never again see $20 a barrel oil.
You are right. We will NEVER run out. But are you willing to pay $80 per gallon for gas? $100? What about that plastic bottle you drank your water, soda, milk or juice from today? Do you want to pay $3 for it? All of our plastic comes from oil too.
Of course the airlines are putting in orders for petroleum engines. Is there an alternative? If there were I bet they would be checking it out. And I find it hard to believe that there are orders that are 25 years out. I did a quick search and found some references to Boeing having "optional" contracts up to 10 years out. But nothing beyond that.
If you have citations for your truth's about there being oil for the next 300 years I would be happy to look at them.
Anwar and the gulf are drops in the bucket as you can see from my statistics. If you can disprove them. Please do. I am always happy to learn.
You are absolutely right that private enterprise the solution to our problem. But at some point it will be far cheaper to spend the money on alternative energy than on oil. I think we will be there very very soon. I would be thrilled if gas cost $10 a gallon. Then we would get rid of soccer moms driving Expeditions and their husbands driving hummers or Excursions.
Lots of people need their trucks for work or whatnot. But many many people drive a vehicle that is far in excess of their need.
--hountzmj
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Mar 29, 2008 8:03:37 GMT -5
Post by huxbux on Mar 29, 2008 8:03:37 GMT -5
Here's a link to oil reserves: www.radford.edu/~wkovarik/oil/6oilbiblio.htmlCouldn't find a link to support the 30 yr. claim for aircraft orders, but this is something I heard from an airline industry executive over the radio. However by your own research, you discovered that Boeing is 10 yrs. out on orders (I suspect this is mainly for the 777 which they are in the process of fulfilling orders for 1,003 of this aircraft) With the next generation (787) already in the works, also powered by petroleum based fuels, my guess would be that these aircraft will be flying for at least the next 30 yrs. I doubt Boeing or their customers would make such a huge investment if they had an inkling that there was even the remotest chance oil reserves would soon be depleted. Point is, there's plenty of oil around. Until the next major break through in energy occurs, we're stuck with it.
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Apr 10, 2008 13:18:19 GMT -5
Post by DEERTRACKS on Apr 10, 2008 13:18:19 GMT -5
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Apr 10, 2008 14:40:31 GMT -5
Post by Woody Williams on Apr 10, 2008 14:40:31 GMT -5
$3.29 this morning!!!!!!!! Poor Exxon & their $40 billion profit for 2007.... You're lucky... $3.45 in Evansville..
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Apr 10, 2008 16:20:40 GMT -5
Post by LawrenceCoBowhunter on Apr 10, 2008 16:20:40 GMT -5
$3.19 @ Caseys in Oolitic
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Apr 10, 2008 16:51:10 GMT -5
Post by jbier22 on Apr 10, 2008 16:51:10 GMT -5
$3.43 St. Joe county, and $3.45 in LaPorte county Saw were diesel was at $4.11 the other day
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Apr 10, 2008 19:48:01 GMT -5
Post by tenring on Apr 10, 2008 19:48:01 GMT -5
3.359
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Apr 11, 2008 9:52:54 GMT -5
Post by whitetaildave24 on Apr 11, 2008 9:52:54 GMT -5
$3.36 this morning. Saw on the news last night it was $3.79 somewhere on the northside.
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Apr 23, 2008 7:43:38 GMT -5
Post by DEERTRACKS on Apr 23, 2008 7:43:38 GMT -5
$3.45 on one side of the street & $3.59 on the other side....
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