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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 18, 2006 21:26:48 GMT -5
The subject of rifle cartridge handguns was brought up at the NRC meeting today.
Kyle Hupfer wants to hear from the public about the rifle cartridge firing handguns
They may revisit it and remove some of the calibers being used but he wants to hear public comment on it first.
Please discuss here.....it is not on the NRC agenda as of yet so emailing them will happen later IF a proposal is made.
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Post by hornharvester on Jul 19, 2006 0:52:04 GMT -5
They've been legal for 20+ years now without any kind of ricochet accidents that i know of so lets keep them legal. A very small percent of deer hunters use them and they don't have a very big impact on the harvest. Any loss of a weapon for deer hunting is loss revenue for the DNR and loss opportunity for the hunter. They are just another tool to help the DNR manage our herd. h.h.
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Post by dbd870 on Jul 19, 2006 4:55:16 GMT -5
Leave them alone.
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Post by mbogo on Jul 19, 2006 5:19:40 GMT -5
Hornharvester is right, only a small percentage of hunters use them because they are basically a weapon for experts. Most of these guns are single shots and combined with the greater skill required to use them effectively, rifle caliber handgun hunters are probably some of the safest hunters in the woods.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 19, 2006 6:25:46 GMT -5
Handgun Deer Harvests
YEAR...NUMBER...(percentage of harvest)
2001 - 1,562 (2)
2002 - 1,625 (2)
2003 - 1,425 (1)
2004 - 1,620 (1)
2005 - 1,606 (1)
It doesn't look like there are very many handgunners out there..
They certainly aren't making a big impact on the harvest. The only weapon lower in kills and harvest percentage is the crossbow.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 19, 2006 6:27:43 GMT -5
Hunter Education guys,
Have you ever heard of an accident involving hand gun while deer hunting?
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Post by jcceadotcom on Jul 19, 2006 6:58:25 GMT -5
Yes.
The ones that come to mind were:
A treestand accident; gravity works the same for handguns as it does for shotguns, muzzleloaders or pointed sticks for that matter. If you drop a firearm it will find the ground! If it's loaded it may go off.
A holstering incident. Keep your %@#% finger off the trigger when holstering!
I can only recall one person that I have run into that I thought was hunting in a foolish way with a handgun. This guy was running tree to tree through Crosley FWA like he was Magnum P.I. . I almost hurt myself laughing at him.
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Post by Decatur on Jul 19, 2006 7:05:50 GMT -5
I agree, leave them alone! I don't like the idea of losing one method (rifle cartridge handguns) to maybe gain another (pistol cartridge rifles).
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Post by drs on Jul 19, 2006 7:14:53 GMT -5
I say, if they are going to allow the continued use of Rifle cartridges, chambered in various single-shot pistols; then they should allow the use of Pistol Cartridge firing rifles. <Period>
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 19, 2006 8:05:18 GMT -5
I say, if they are going to allow the continued use of Rifle cartridges, chambered in various single-shot pistols; then they should allow the use of Pistol Cartridge firing rifles. <Period> The two are not tied together. If there is a proposal to eliminate some rifle cartridge handguns , both of these proposals would be stand alone proposals. Passage of one is not dependent on the other.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jul 19, 2006 8:09:51 GMT -5
Yes. The ones that come to mind were: A treestand accident; gravity works the same for handguns as it does for shotguns, muzzleloaders or pointed sticks for that matter. If you drop a firearm it will find the ground! If it's loaded it may go off. WW - That is true. This accident probably would have occured no matter what the firearm was. WW - OUCH! Kind of brings home the "shooting oneself in the foot" message. You are quite right. No one should ever touch their trigger unless they are ready to fire their weapon. WW - Would have been great to have that on video.. .
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Post by jcceadotcom on Jul 19, 2006 8:36:19 GMT -5
WW - Would have been great to have that on video.. Would have been lousy video. I doubt I could have held the camera still I was laughing so hard. About the only thing missing was the Captain Kirk style run, drop and roll.
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Post by varmint101 on Jul 19, 2006 9:13:14 GMT -5
I say leave them alone. They have a proven track record so there is no reason to change them.
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Post by kevin1 on Jul 19, 2006 10:05:25 GMT -5
I say, if they are going to allow the continued use of Rifle cartridges, chambered in various single-shot pistols; then they should allow the use of Pistol Cartridge firing rifles. <Period> If they're going to allow rifle cartridges in single shot pistols then they should also allow them in single shot rifles , fair is fair .
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Post by drs on Jul 19, 2006 10:36:56 GMT -5
I say, if they are going to allow the continued use of Rifle cartridges, chambered in various single-shot pistols; then they should allow the use of Pistol Cartridge firing rifles. <Period> If they're going to allow rifle cartridges in single shot pistols then they should also allow them in single shot rifles , fair is fair . I think action types are a non-issue here.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Jul 19, 2006 14:01:18 GMT -5
Leave em alone. There is a "very small percentage" of us deer hunters that hit the woods each year with a single-shot pistol in hand. Hope they do not mess with the .308. I love it.
Thanks Woody. Email sent.
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Post by bowpro1 on Jul 19, 2006 14:21:15 GMT -5
Why can't they just well enough along. I have been hunting with a Thompson Encore in a 308 since 1997. It's the one gun I hunt with and don't want to buy another gun just shoot a stupid deer with.
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Post by drs on Jul 19, 2006 14:37:05 GMT -5
Why can't they just well enough along. I have been hunting with a Thompson Encore in a 308 since 1997. It's the one gun I hunt with and don't want to buy another gun just shoot a stupid deer with. I honestly think you have nothing to worry about.
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Post by kevin1 on Jul 20, 2006 8:51:12 GMT -5
If they're going to allow rifle cartridges in single shot pistols then they should also allow them in single shot rifles , fair is fair . I think action types are a non-issue here. The action type is entirely relevant in this example , both weapons are single shot . If it's allowed for one it should be allowed for the other .
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Post by pbr on Jul 20, 2006 11:06:42 GMT -5
Let's see...
1) Not killing too many deer.
2) Very few, if any "accidents".
What is the problem?
As I see it, it is a vocal few people "squawking" about something they know very little about.
Other than that I see absolutely no problem with leaving them as is.
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