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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2005 8:21:45 GMT -5
Cast your vote Some companies have been firing employees for having legal firearms locked in their gloveboxes in parking lots or for having hunting firearms in locked in their vehicles. Should you give up your right of self-defense or you right to have a firearm in your vehicle for lawful purposes because anti-gun company administrators have been encouraged by the Brady Campaign to ban firearms in their parking lots? Below is the POLL LINK from the very anti-gun South Florida Sun-Sentinel: Republican lawmakers are proposing a bill that would give Floridians the right to keep guns locked in their vehicles while they're at work -- a practice now banned by many companies. Your opinion? Click here: www.nranews.org/UM/T.asp?A2.24.1899.1.4715289
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Post by gundude on Oct 6, 2005 8:30:04 GMT -5
Iv'e been through this before. It's a load of crap! I just ignored the company policy and kept my gun in the truck. Looks like Florida is gonna get it right.
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Post by DEERTRACKS on Oct 6, 2005 9:20:23 GMT -5
Our CEO & a good number of our Board of Directors are hunters, so I am safe for now anyway.
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Post by jstalljon on Oct 6, 2005 9:28:31 GMT -5
My boss has a glock in his desk.... I think I'm o.k. for now  |
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Post by Bowbo on Oct 6, 2005 9:45:06 GMT -5
I definitely keep my handgun in my truck at ALL times.
Our company has the same stupid rule, but it's not enforced at all. Heck, we even take our bows to work and shoot on the premises after work..... they don't care! Thank God!
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Post by Bowbo on Oct 6, 2005 9:46:32 GMT -5
BTW, thanks for the link Woody............. I definitely put in my vote! Anything that might help us all!
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Post by raporter1 on Oct 6, 2005 10:48:20 GMT -5
Wow, I may be shocke :oand astounded. It is almost 98% for.  |
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Post by Russ Koon on Oct 6, 2005 12:16:53 GMT -5
To assume that the ban on guns on company property would achieve increased safety, one must assume that disarmed general population is safer than one free to keep and bear arms, which is un-American and has been proven false many times over.
One has also to assume that such a regulation would be followed voluntarily or enforced vigorously, which has been proven to be false in every known instance of it's implementation.
Lastly, one needs to assume that such a regulation would have the desired effect of prevention of a disgruntled employee bringing the weapon into the workplace for an act of violence, which has not been shown to be in the least effective in practice. Those who are angry enough to shoot the place up, don't care that it would be in violation of company rules to have the weapon on company property.
To base company policy on such absurd assumptions is extremely poor management, regardless of the issues of effective cancellation of the employees' second amendment rights vs. the company's right to control their own property.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2005 14:49:03 GMT -5
Well said Russ....
Criminals or people that want to commit a criminal act aren't going to be bothered by silly gun rules.
I think that some of these companies are covering their posteriors..
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Post by jkd on Oct 6, 2005 16:34:45 GMT -5
It's like the deal in New Orleans with confiscation... I continue to be amazed by people thinking they can trump the US Constitution and state statutes by creating a "rule".
For that matter, I've argued at DAC meetings that the DNR reg prohibiting concealed carry while hunting is unconstitutional. If I want to carry a 9mm while bowhunting as personal protection against loose dogs and coyotes and have a valid CCP, why should that be considered a hunting violation? If I show up at a check station with a deer with a 9mm hole during bow season, then deal with it then, but otherwise I think the rule is a violation of 2nd amendment rights.
KD
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Post by Hoosier Hunter on Oct 6, 2005 17:17:57 GMT -5
I'm in the same boat as gundude. "Out of sight..out of mind"
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Post by 911 on Oct 6, 2005 19:18:10 GMT -5
Guns are not allowed on our company property even in your vechicles BULLCRAP
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 6, 2005 20:23:15 GMT -5
It's like the deal in New Orleans with confiscation... I continue to be amazed by people thinking they can trump the US Constitution and state statutes by creating a "rule". For that matter, I've argued at DAC meetings that the DNR reg prohibiting concealed carry while hunting is unconstitutional. If I want to carry a 9mm while bowhunting as personal protection against loose dogs and coyotes and have a valid CCP, why should that be considered a hunting violation? If I show up at a check station with a deer with a 9mm hole during bow season, then deal with it then, but otherwise I think the rule is a violation of 2nd amendment rights. KD I agree... |
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Post by hornzilla on Oct 6, 2005 20:39:06 GMT -5
Never had a problem, Have taken guns, boats , decoys, ect. NEVER a word.
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 7, 2005 5:28:41 GMT -5
Most workplaces are private property.....except for government jobs.
In short, it's their property and they have every right to set their own rules.
LOTS of employers have LOTS of stupid rules....it almost seems the bigger the company the more stupid the rules are.
If it's a problem, I would suggest parking off their property.
If you have your firearm tucked away in your vehicle, how would they even know you have one???....Unless you got it out and started showing it off.
With that said, your personal vehicle is still your personal property. And even if it was parked on company property it would still take your permission or a warrant for anyone to search it.
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Post by mbogo on Oct 7, 2005 8:11:53 GMT -5
The US Constitution puts the right to keep and bear arms ahead of property rights.
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Post by firemanphob on Oct 7, 2005 19:43:05 GMT -5
I work in Kentucky and for years had some kind of long gun in my rack at almost all times. A couple of years back, they were doing a random car search and found a handgun in a gym bag in a guys trunk. He was given time off for this. I took up the fight in the labor-management comittee and was told in no uncertain terms that firearms of any type would not be allowed in vehicles. At the time I had my federal firearms liscense and this didn't even matter to them. They still occationally have a car search (looking for stolen Alchohol, I work at a distillery) and unless a law is passed, we have no choice to abide by their rules or risk loosing our jobs. In the area I work in, parking off company property is not an option. (vehicle and all would probably be gone when you got off work)
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Post by Russ Koon on Oct 7, 2005 21:43:01 GMT -5
I suppose there's the basis for some legal argument there. If the gun is inside your personal property, which IS permitted in the company lot, and stays inside the vehicle, is it actually "on" the company's property, or "in" your property, which happens to be located on the company property? Would it matter if the company parking lot was inside a secured area, as in the case of lots where the driver has to drive through a guarded gate, as opposed to lots where the parking is outside any security and the people pass through any security afoot? If the police can't legally search your car without "reasonable cause" to suspect there's contraband aboard, even though you're traveling on a public road, wouldn't the same legal principles apply to the company? Any actual lawyers on here, or anyone who has played one on TV?
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Post by cambygsp on Oct 8, 2005 2:00:24 GMT -5
Airlines don't want you bringing your sidearm on board with you either.
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Post by Woody Williams on Oct 8, 2005 8:28:22 GMT -5
Russ,
I know at my employer (reallly ex-employer as i am retired form ether) a security guard was almost fired for going through an employee's car in the company lot.
He said he was looking for stolen company proerty and suspected this individual.
I do not believe that they can legally do that - 4th amendment..
They have have conducted personal locker searches, but the lockers are company property.
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