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Post by ms660 on Jun 10, 2023 14:27:17 GMT -5
If he has done what the feds are claiming, he's screwed. I like what shape the country was in when he was President, but as long as the Demorats feel the way they do if he does get re-elected it will be four years of BS of them trying any and everything to impeach him and the country will suffer.
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Post by beermaker on Jun 10, 2023 15:51:02 GMT -5
If he has done what the feds are claiming, he's screwed. I like what shape the country was in when he was President, but as long as the Demorats feel the way they do if he does get re-elected it will be four years of BS of them trying any and everything to impeach him and the country will suffer. Well said. On the other hand, what if Biden and his alleged criminal enterprise (family) is proven to be factual? I honestly, all politics aside, don't think the Democrats have a viable alternative. Desantis needs to step up the heat and Trump and the rest of the Republican brass needs to get behind him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 15:56:27 GMT -5
If he has done what the feds are claiming, he's screwed. I like what shape the country was in when he was President, but as long as the Demorats feel the way they do if he does get re-elected it will be four years of BS of them trying any and everything to impeach him and the country will suffer. Well said. On the other hand, what if Biden and his alleged criminal enterprise (family) is proven to be factual? I honestly, all politics aside, don't think the Democrats have a viable alternative. Desantis needs to step up the heat and Trump and the rest of the Republican brass needs to get behind him. Kennedy is a decent candidate on the Dems side, I wouldn't vote for him, but at least he's got some common sense. The Trump stuff, Trump 100% cannot win the next election, won't happen, too many people hate him and will vote for the opposition just to ensure he loses. DeSantis is the Reps best bet but if Trump doesn't put support behind him it will split the party and Dems win. It's not looking good for 2024.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Jun 10, 2023 17:02:09 GMT -5
Honest question - what is it they claim he's done? Sounds like it's still TBD whether the documents were rightfully in his possession or not. And if it turns out that wasn't a crime, what justice did he obstruct?
I don't think the case has actually been laid out yet and won't be until the case goes to court, unless I've missed some big breaking news on this.
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Post by welder on Jun 10, 2023 17:03:34 GMT -5
NOBODY on this site is any more conservative than I am. That being said,if the Republican party doesn't seriously step up it's game we're in worse shape than ever. They have to beat the Democratic party at their own game (ballot harvesting, etc) in 2020, we just got outsmarted and that is the cold hard truth. I have my doubts if we ever have another "fair" election.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 10, 2023 17:15:36 GMT -5
NOBODY on this site is any more conservative than I am. That being said,if the Republican party doesn't seriously step up it's game we're in worse shape than ever. They have to beat the Democratic party at their own game (ballot harvesting, etc) in 2020, we just got outsmarted and that is the cold hard truth. I have my doubts if we ever have another "fair" election. Exactly.... I will vote for whoever the Republican party decides to run for President 2024....NO matter if I hate him or not. Republicans also shouldn't announce who is a good candidate for the Democratic party!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 17:39:56 GMT -5
NOBODY on this site is any more conservative than I am. That being said,if the Republican party doesn't seriously step up it's game we're in worse shape than ever. They have to beat the Democratic party at their own game (ballot harvesting, etc) in 2020, we just got outsmarted and that is the cold hard truth. I have my doubts if we ever have another "fair" election. Exactly.... I will vote for whoever the Republican party decides to run for President 2024....NO matter if I hate him or not. Republicans also shouldn't announce who is a good candidate for the Democratic party! I disagree with the last statement. Ideally you want a solid Republican candidate but you also want a Democrat who's not nuts in case the Reps lose.
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Post by greyhair on Jun 10, 2023 19:44:33 GMT -5
If Trump is guilty he deserves the full weight of justice. But it is the prosecutors case to prove to a jury.
If Biden is guilty he deserves the full weight of justice. But it will be a prosecutors case to prove to a jury.
Insert your name, or anyone's.
I say to those threatening violence if Trump is convicted, we have the best (not perfect) system in the world. What if he is actually guilty? Should he get a pass?
Out of all the allegations, the ones involving intentionally revealing military secrets are the most serious. IF in fact he did that, he is toast.
Biden is beatable, but not by Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2023 20:26:12 GMT -5
If Trump is guilty he deserves the full weight of justice. But it is the prosecutors case to prove to a jury. If Biden is guilty he deserves the full weight of justice. But it will be a prosecutors case to prove to a jury. Insert your name, or anyone's. I say to those threatening violence if Trump is convicted, we have the best (not perfect) system in the world. What if he is actually guilty? Should he get a pass? Out of all the allegations, the ones involving intentionally revealing military secrets are the most serious. IF in fact he did that, he is toast. Biden is beatable, but not by Trump. 100% agree with everything you just said.
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Post by ms660 on Jun 10, 2023 22:11:58 GMT -5
If Trump is guilty he deserves the full weight of justice. But it is the prosecutors case to prove to a jury. If Biden is guilty he deserves the full weight of justice. But it will be a prosecutors case to prove to a jury. Insert your name, or anyone's. I say to those threatening violence if Trump is convicted, we have the best (not perfect) system in the world. What if he is actually guilty? Should he get a pass? Out of all the allegations, the ones involving intentionally revealing military secrets are the most serious. IF in fact he did that, he is toast. Biden is beatable, but not by Trump. 100% agree with everything you just said. I do too!
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Post by greghopper on Jun 11, 2023 4:48:14 GMT -5
Exactly.... I will vote for whoever the Republican party decides to run for President 2024....NO matter if I hate him or not. Republicans also shouldn't announce who is a good candidate for the Democratic party! I disagree with the last statement. Ideally you want a solid Republican candidate but you also want a Democrat who's not nuts in case the Reps lose. Democratic's don’t need help selling their own people….. Who ever Republicans decide to run for President that’s who Republicans need to vote for…..STOP the Trump Hate it’s hurting the party! And for the record I am never ok with any type of voter fraud …..Two wrongs don’t make a Right!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 7:55:09 GMT -5
I disagree with the last statement. Ideally you want a solid Republican candidate but you also want a Democrat who's not nuts in case the Reps lose. Democratic's don’t need help selling their own people….. Who ever Republicans decide to run for President that’s who Republicans need to vote for…..STOP the Trump Hate it’s hurting the party! And for the record I am never ok with any type of voter fraud …..Two wrongs don’t make a Right! Nobody here is hating on Trump, just saying he's got no shot to win. He needs to bow out.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 11, 2023 8:02:25 GMT -5
Democratic's don’t need help selling their own people….. Who ever Republicans decide to run for President that’s who Republicans need to vote for…..STOP the Trump Hate it’s hurting the party! And for the record I am never ok with any type of voter fraud …..Two wrongs don’t make a Right! Nobody here is hating on Trump, just saying he's got no shot to win. He needs to bow out. That your opinion…..let the polls/voters decide who has a chance or not! You and some others maybe in for a surprise…..
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Post by deadeer on Jun 11, 2023 8:22:01 GMT -5
I have been busy enough and disciplined myself enough to keep from watching any tv or radio news for awhile now. It has been a welcome relief. So I thought I would read along here to see if anything has changed lately. Nope, lol.
One thing I can say for sure is, there are a LOT of Trump 2024 hats, signs, and flags displayed in my area, and the energy for him is second to none.
That's as far as I'm dipping my toe in the water. A lot of action coming up, and I hope to miss most of it until the front runner and actual nominee is declared. I can see sparks flying before all said and done.
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Post by steiny on Jun 11, 2023 8:50:49 GMT -5
Trump being tied up in legal matters could be good for conservatives. He's probably un-electable anyway.
Get some of the presidential candidate focus off of him and let someone like DeSantis that can actually win take center stage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 9:37:18 GMT -5
Nobody here is hating on Trump, just saying he's got no shot to win. He needs to bow out. That your opinion…..let the polls/voters decide who has a chance or not! You and some others maybe in for a surprise….. Not something I'm willing to risk He lost once to a nursing home patient, just because Biden wasn't Trump It will happen again, Biden may be corrupt and a terrible leader with bad policies, but he's seen as non threatening. People by and large (outside of the heavily red areas) will pick him.
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Post by jjas on Jun 11, 2023 10:04:20 GMT -5
No matter what happens with Trump's legal woes, does anyone really think that he won't run for the Republican nomination? I don't.
IMO, if it appears that he is going to lose the race for the Republican nomination, I would imagine that he would then run as an Independent and split the conservative vote.
And if the above comes true, the Democrats win again.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 11, 2023 13:15:25 GMT -5
That your opinion…..let the polls/voters decide who has a chance or not! You and some others maybe in for a surprise….. Not something I'm willing to risk He lost once to a nursing home patient, just because Biden wasn't Trump It will happen again, Biden may be corrupt and a terrible leader with bad policies, but he's seen as non threatening. People by and large (outside of the heavily red areas) will pick him. You don’t have to risk anything we have a process for electing a President… the public decides. It seems you’re in the same camp as most Democrats if your assumption is Trump lost the election due to being himself and there wasn’t any FRAUD involved in the voting system. Not sure why some see Trump as a threat unless they’re afraid of him exposing them for what they are. I am done here until the primary is decided no need to waste bandwidth!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2023 15:14:19 GMT -5
Not something I'm willing to risk He lost once to a nursing home patient, just because Biden wasn't Trump It will happen again, Biden may be corrupt and a terrible leader with bad policies, but he's seen as non threatening. People by and large (outside of the heavily red areas) will pick him. You don’t have to risk anything we have a process for electing a President… the public decides. It seems you’re in the same camp as most Democrats if your assumption is Trump lost the election due to being himself and there wasn’t any FRAUD involved in the voting system. Not sure why some see Trump as a threat unless they’re afraid of him exposing them for what they are. I am done here until the primary is decided no need to waste bandwidth! I dont think there was widespread fraud. Trump may have good policies for the most part but he's not a good person. He screamed fraud because his ego couldn't take the loss. And when his followers blindly start parroting the same then we are in trouble. Trump is not the be all end all of the Republican party, the sooner the die hard Trumpers realize that the sooner we can rebuild the party and start to win.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Jun 12, 2023 6:58:43 GMT -5
See the 2014 Supreme Court ruling for Bill Clinton. Now the good people can arrest Biden, Obama, Clintons and Bushes. The new presentism has been set.
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