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Post by esshup on Mar 17, 2023 23:08:53 GMT -5
Yep. Ban all fish finders too. Not fair chase. Or do we only care because it’s deer? Not even close comparison. Cell cams identify the specific animsl. Look at Live Scope fish finders. Guys can target paddlefish to snag them, and even see their snag hook with weight on the live scope..... Fish species can be identified by people that are familiar with using Live Scope. The size of the fish can also be identified by using one.
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Post by esshup on Mar 17, 2023 23:11:18 GMT -5
Some also believe shooting game at long range isn’t hunting also… The question is when is it long range I personally don’t know that answer when I hunted WY a lot 300 yards was a chip shot that may even be considered average I knocked a lope right off his feet at 387 yards but I spent tons of time behind that rifle at 400 yards so that I could So was that long range to me yes it is but is the line 500 800 1000 idk when does it becomes shooting over hunting That's why I practice at 1,000 yds whenever I can.
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Post by ms660 on Mar 17, 2023 23:30:36 GMT -5
I am 100% behind banning cellular cameras use during hunting season. (Way to big of a advantage for hunter). What about the old-style trail cams that don't instantly notify you. The kind you have to go out and pull the SD card?
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Mar 17, 2023 23:39:34 GMT -5
Not even close comparison. Cell cams identify the specific animsl. Look at Live Scope fish finders. Guys can target paddlefish to snag them, and even see their snag hook with weight on the live scope..... Fish species can be identified by people that are familiar with using Live Scope. The size of the fish can also be identified by using one. This is exactly why I was comparing this thread to fishing. I watch a guy on YouTube, kayak catfish, that uses a live scope to find catfish and watch his rig fall right in front of them. They either hit it and he catches them or they turn away and he moves on. All of it is seen on the screen in his kayak.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 18, 2023 7:06:48 GMT -5
Mixed emotions on this. I’ve pretty well been against regulations that ban something because it “might” be used to illegally kill something.Bowhunters carrying their personal protection handgun for example. They had banned this (even though it’s a constitutional right) because a bowhunters “might” shoot a deer with it. Once upon a time we had to put little padlocks on our compound bow strings or no chambered shells while in the deer woods during non/hunting hours. Why? Because someone “might” illegally shoot a deer. Now it’s let’s ban cell trail cameras because someone “might” use them to kill something?I have a cell camera running and it runs during the season. Does that mean I’ll try and slip up on a deer or turkey if it sends me a picture while I’m hunting? Nope.. I will hope it comes my way ..but that is it. Some “might” try and slip up on it though. Does that fall under “ethics”? Best factual post in this thread.....First sentence is spot on!
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Post by jjas on Mar 18, 2023 8:59:27 GMT -5
I am 100% behind banning cellular cameras use during hunting season. (Way to big of a advantage for hunter). What about the old-style trail cams that don't instantly notify you. The kind you have to go out and pull the SD card? I'm not anti camera, I just don't think that cellular (or non cellular for that matter) cameras should be allowed to be used during the hunting season(s). Do I see Indiana going that route? No. I think that the game camera industry has gotten so huge and people are so wrapped up in using them that they will remain legal for use during the entire year.
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Post by ms660 on Mar 18, 2023 11:54:08 GMT -5
Unless a guy is hunting within 5-10 minutes of the cell camera I really don't see how cell cams are going to help you get your deer. If a picture comes to your phone showing a deer in your hunting area, by the time you get your cammo on and your equipment loaded up, get in your truck and drive to your spot, the deer will be long gone, or you will spook it going into your spot. I bought my first cell cam this year not to use it to tell me there is a deer near my stand to go out and kill it then that day. I bought it for the ease of use. you don't have to go out, pull your SD card, take it home and download the pictures to your computer and then see what is out there.
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Post by ms660 on Mar 18, 2023 11:59:41 GMT -5
Unless a guy is hunting within 5-10 minutes of the cell camera I really don't see how cell cams are going to help you get your deer. If you are sitting at home or at work and a picture comes to your phone showing a deer in your hunting area, by the time you get your cammo on and your equipment loaded up, get in your truck and drive to your spot, the deer will be long gone, or you will spook it going into your spot. I bought my first cell cam this year not to use it to tell me there is a deer near my stand to go out and kill it then that day. I bought it for the ease of use. you don't have to go out, pull your SD card, take it home and download the pictures to your computer and then see what is out there.
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Post by duff on Mar 18, 2023 12:28:53 GMT -5
I agree.
Is there a legal definition of fair chase? Not what anyone thinks it is or should be.
Before I can agree or disagree I would have to see the definition in Indiana code.
Personally I don't see cell cams as an issue on fair chase. But just my opinion and we know how those rate. If a game animal is free to avoid a hunter...not sure how that isn't fair chase.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 18, 2023 12:34:34 GMT -5
Unless a guy is hunting within 5-10 minutes of the cell camera I really don't see how cell cams are going to help you get your deer. If you are sitting at home or at work and a picture comes to your phone showing a deer in your hunting area, by the time you get your cammo on and your equipment loaded up, get in your truck and drive to your spot, the deer will be long gone, or you will spook it going into your spot. I bought my first cell cam this year not to use it to tell me there is a deer near my stand to go out and kill it then that day. I bought it for the ease of use. you don't have to go out, pull your SD card, take it home and download the pictures to your computer and then see what is out there. Exactly…..I say that’s why many folks have gotten cell cameras it wasn’t to manipulate the system and not to maybe use them to kill something !
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Post by Huntnfreak on Mar 18, 2023 12:43:02 GMT -5
Unless a guy is hunting within 5-10 minutes of the cell camera I really don't see how cell cams are going to help you get your deer. If you are sitting at home or at work and a picture comes to your phone showing a deer in your hunting area, by the time you get your cammo on and your equipment loaded up, get in your truck and drive to your spot, the deer will be long gone, or you will spook it going into your spot. I bought my first cell cam this year not to use it to tell me there is a deer near my stand to go out and kill it then that day. I bought it for the ease of use. you don't have to go out, pull your SD card, take it home and download the pictures to your computer and then see what is out there. Exactly…..I say that’s why many folks have gotten cell cameras it wasn’t to manipulate the system and not to maybe use them to kill something ! Not everyone lives on the property they hunt which leads to easy SD card swaps. The convenience factor is the reason I bought a couple!!
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Post by greghopper on Mar 18, 2023 12:53:28 GMT -5
Exactly…..I say that’s why many folks have gotten cell cameras it wasn’t to manipulate the system and not to maybe use them to kill something ! Not everyone lives on the property they hunt which leads to easy SD card swaps. The convenience factor is the reason I bought a couple!! This ^^^^^ I live 100 plus miles from where I Hunt. When hunting I stay roughly 10 miles from where I usually hunt.
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Post by boonechaser on Mar 18, 2023 18:26:02 GMT -5
Not everyone lives on the property they hunt which leads to easy SD card swaps. The convenience factor is the reason I bought a couple!! This ^^^^^ I live 100 plus miles from where I Hunt. When hunting I stay roughly 10 miles from where I usually hunt. Not sure really relivent where you live or how far away? The question remains the same? Do cellular cameras give a unfair advantage to hunter during hunting season? IMO , in many cases yes. Knowing exact location of a animal in real time creates a "Fair chase" and ethics debate. I agree not all hunter's use this information to pursue or harvest the animal, but many do.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 18, 2023 18:32:34 GMT -5
This ^^^^^ I live 100 plus miles from where I Hunt. When hunting I stay roughly 10 miles from where I usually hunt. Not sure really relivent where you live or how far away? The question remains the same? Do cellular cameras give an unfair advantage to hunter during hunting season? IMO , in many cases yes. Knowing exact location of an animal in real time creates a "Fair chase" and ethics debate. I agree not all hunter's use this information to pursue or harvest the animal, but many do. Ok……so let’s bann them because some may use them with bad intentions.Perfect! BTW….you missed the context of my post it seems…..read a few post up.
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Post by boonechaser on Mar 18, 2023 19:43:32 GMT -5
Not sure really relivent where you live or how far away? The question remains the same? Do cellular cameras give an unfair advantage to hunter during hunting season? IMO , in many cases yes. Knowing exact location of an animal in real time creates a "Fair chase" and ethics debate. I agree not all hunter's use this information to pursue or harvest the animal, but many do. Ok……so let’s bann them because some may use them with bad intentions.Perfect! BTW….you missed the context of my post it seems…..read a few post up. Thats why most laws are made. (Because the few that abuse.)
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Post by firstwd on Mar 19, 2023 7:03:01 GMT -5
This ^^^^^ I live 100 plus miles from where I Hunt. When hunting I stay roughly 10 miles from where I usually hunt. Not sure really relivent where you live or how far away? The question remains the same? Do cellular cameras give a unfair advantage to hunter during hunting season? IMO , in many cases yes. Knowing exact location of a animal in real time creates a "Fair chase" and ethics debate. I agree not all hunter's use this information to pursue or harvest the animal, but many do. If this topic wasn't about animals so connected to the all mighty dollar (big game) would real-time knowledge be such an issue. Take rabbits as an example. Does real-time knowledge give hunters an unfair advantage? Because if it does, then beagles give the hunters way more than just real-time knowledge of location. Under the idea of "unfair advantage" dogs and the vast majority of all modern hunting tools should be banned. How many deer die each year just because of tree stands? Now we have portable blinds, solid wall heated blinds, free standing gun rests, extremely high speed bows, food plots and mineral stations, scopes that range and calculate windage.... the list goes on and on.
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Post by boonechaser on Mar 19, 2023 7:55:10 GMT -5
Not sure really relivent where you live or how far away? The question remains the same? Do cellular cameras give a unfair advantage to hunter during hunting season? IMO , in many cases yes. Knowing exact location of a animal in real time creates a "Fair chase" and ethics debate. I agree not all hunter's use this information to pursue or harvest the animal, but many do. If this topic wasn't about animals so connected to the all mighty dollar (big game) would real-time knowledge be such an issue. Take rabbits as an example. Does real-time knowledge give hunters an unfair advantage? Because if it does, then beagles give the hunters way more than just real-time knowledge of location. Under the idea of "unfair advantage" dogs and the vast majority of all modern hunting tools should be banned. How many deer die each year just because of tree stands? Now we have portable blinds, solid wall heated blinds, free standing gun rests, extremely high speed bows, food plots and mineral stations, scopes that range and calculate windage.... the list goes on and on. Again not good comparisons. You can muddy water however you want. IMO most understand the unfair advantage cellular trail camaras present. Outfitters are espically guilty saturating areas with CC to track animals to put hunters on target animals. Be my last post on subject, you either understand the "fair chase" argument or you don't care. IMO at some point most states will ban use during certain hunting seasons for hunting purposes. And I 100% support that.
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Post by greghopper on Mar 19, 2023 8:11:26 GMT -5
If this topic wasn't about animals so connected to the all mighty dollar (big game) would real-time knowledge be such an issue. Take rabbits as an example. Does real-time knowledge give hunters an unfair advantage? Because if it does, then beagles give the hunters way more than just real-time knowledge of location. Under the idea of "unfair advantage" dogs and the vast majority of all modern hunting tools should be banned. How many deer die each year just because of tree stands? Now we have portable blinds, solid wall heated blinds, free standing gun rests, extremely high speed bows, food plots and mineral stations, scopes that range and calculate windage.... the list goes on and on. Again not good comparisons. You can muddy water however you want. IMO most understand the unfair advantage cellular trail camaras present. Outfitters are espically guilty saturating areas with CC to track animals to put hunters on target animals. Be my last post on subject, you either understand the "fair chase" argument or you don't care. IMO at some point most states will ban use during certain hunting seasons for hunting purposes. And I 100% support that. Your fair chase argument is a “OPINION” and an ethical belief! If they bann cameras then Bann them all ….. All cameras give a Hunter an advantage in some way…. Saying unfair is just trying to muddy the waters How many states have Banned cameras for Whitetail’s use ….. only 1 I believe. Mike…. We all respect your opinion on this subject…. Don’t take it personally.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Mar 19, 2023 12:10:31 GMT -5
What gets me is they seem to be pushing the privacy issue more than the fair chase. Like was said earlier, if you want to stay private don’t go out in public. There’s nothing illegal about taking pictures of public places with people out and about.
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Post by firstwd on Mar 19, 2023 13:49:31 GMT -5
What gets me is they seem to be pushing the privacy issue more than the fair chase. Like was said earlier, if you want to stay private don’t go out in public. There’s nothing illegal about taking pictures of public places with people out and about. True. Then again, to legally run a camera on public ground here, you are supposed to have the property manager's permission. So, technically, they are banned here unless you get an exemption.
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