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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 1, 2023 9:04:33 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Feb 1, 2023 9:26:42 GMT -5
2016?
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Post by parrothead on Feb 1, 2023 9:28:05 GMT -5
Yep, it's everywhere. Kentucky is short 11,000 teachers. We couldn't find teachers and had to bring back retired teachers to fill in.
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Post by Ahawkeye on Feb 1, 2023 13:21:52 GMT -5
My brother is a teacher in Kentucky. He has a few years to go but can't wait to get out of it. Not enough teachers yo go around, he has to keep an eye on 2 classes at once a lot of times and says it is a real pain.
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Post by treetop on Feb 1, 2023 17:03:37 GMT -5
I honestly don’t know what we are going to do in a few years almost everyone in the trades I know and it’s a lot are retiring soon easy couple 100 probably way short on that number that’s between framing plumbing heating electrical painters half the mechanics that work on our trucks if you think we have a labor shortage now wait a few years
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Post by Ahawkeye on Feb 1, 2023 21:57:44 GMT -5
I honestly don’t know what we are going to do in a few years almost everyone in the trades I know and it’s a lot are retiring soon easy couple 100 probably way short on that number that’s between framing plumbing heating electrical painters half the mechanics that work on our trucks if you think we have a labor shortage now wait a few years Funny you should say, my other brother is a carpenter. He owns his own business and says the phone never stops. I have told my boys if they don't think college is their thing that the trades are where the $ is at.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 1, 2023 22:02:51 GMT -5
I honestly don’t know what we are going to do in a few years almost everyone in the trades I know and it’s a lot are retiring soon easy couple 100 probably way short on that number that’s between framing plumbing heating electrical painters half the mechanics that work on our trucks if you think we have a labor shortage now wait a few years Funny you should say, my other brother is a carpenter. He owns his own business and says the phone never stops. I have told my boys if they don't think college is their thing that the trades are where the $ is at. Tell them to learn Spanish that adds more money to the pot…
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Post by Ahawkeye on Feb 2, 2023 5:20:39 GMT -5
Funny you should say, my other brother is a carpenter. He owns his own business and says the phone never stops. I have told my boys if they don't think college is their thing that the trades are where the $ is at. Tell them to learn Spanish that adds more money to the pot… Our grade school started teaching spanish at grade 5, they will take 2 more years in high scool. Being fluent will take work beyond that but I can see where that would pay off.
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Post by beermaker on Feb 2, 2023 5:51:53 GMT -5
I make the following comments as someone who has a very close relationship with a public school administrator and several family members who are teachers. Also, we have two children in public schools.
-The number one contributing factor in the teacher shortage is the behavior/conduct of students AND parents. -Coming in a close second is the lack of discipline for said inappropriate behavior/conduct. -School boards are being infiltrated by agenda-driven politicians who have NO IDEA what it takes to run a school corporation.
I have a hispanic friend with twins that recently graduated high school. The girl is going to nursing school and the boy is already on his way to being a licensed electrician. As good individuals who are 100% bilingual with no criminal record, they will both have an endless supply of job opportunities.
Yes, I think the future labor pool is going to be a shallow puddle.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 2, 2023 8:58:15 GMT -5
My wife is a teacher, but in private school. Yes, some are leaving in private, but mostly completely out of teaching altogether. The need is better paying job. A lot are retiring and I know it's hard to find replacements. My wife Lynn, only has one more year. 2023/2024 will be her last. She has already been asked many times to home school teach the local area kids. I think this is taking some teachers out of the public and private schools.
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Post by huntsemall on Feb 2, 2023 10:23:28 GMT -5
I make the following comments as someone who has a very close relationship with a public school administrator and several family members who are teachers. Also, we have two children in public schools. -The number one contributing factor in the teacher shortage is the behavior/conduct of students AND parents. -Coming in a close second is the lack of discipline for said inappropriate behavior/conduct. -School boards are being infiltrated by agenda-driven politicians who have NO IDEA what it takes to run a school corporation. I have a hispanic friend with twins that recently graduated high school. The girl is going to nursing school and the boy is already on his way to being a licensed electrician. As good individuals who are 100% bilingual with no criminal record, they will both have an endless supply of job opportunities. Yes, I think the future labor pool is going to be a shallow puddle. IMO and as a parent of a teacher, you are spot on with your first two bullets. I would add to the second bullet the inability to discipline the students. Instead of backing the teacher, its now never the kids fault. The lack of accountability being taught at home in many cases is awful. My daughter is an elementary teacher and coach, my son is a deputy sheriff.....frequently I tell them how proud I am of their profession and their passion for the job, especially in these times. I doubt I would have the patience but am glad they are doing what that they are doing because we need good people on those positions. Lastly, the high school where I was a lay football coach will probably do away with their vocational shop program after this year as the teacher is retiring. Kids today are being pushed to this or that type of engineer or computer related jobs.....as has been pointed out by other folks on here.....who is going to do all that is needed to build the buildings where the engineers and IT folks work?
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Post by steiny on Feb 2, 2023 10:48:54 GMT -5
I've got family in the teaching profession and would agree that student and parent behavior and the fact that they can't do anything about it, is a major factor.
I don't think the money or actual wages are a major factor as teaching actually pays pretty well when you consider 180 days of work per year vs the typical 250 days for most folks. They have cut into benefits some, newer teachers are often not getting the sweet pension programs their predecessors got.
Need to get back to letting the locals run their schools.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 2, 2023 10:51:15 GMT -5
Can’t say much different than others have said. My wife, who teaches general and special education preschool would agree as well. Never any punishment for the kids at home or at school. Schools are used as babysitters for a lot of people. I tell her all the time I don’t know how she does it. Takes special people that’s for sure. I wouldn’t last long with the attitudes of the kids, let alone what some of the parents do and say.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 2, 2023 10:56:45 GMT -5
I've got family in the teaching profession and would agree that student and parent behavior and the fact that they can't do anything about it, is a major factor. I don't think the money or actual wages are a major factor as teaching actually pays pretty well when you consider 180 days of work per year vs the typical 250 days for most folks. They have cut into benefits some, newer teachers are often not getting the sweet pension programs their predecessors got. Need to get back to letting the locals run their schools. I think the money is always a factor and a big one. They don’t get paid very well considering all they have to our up with. Plus it may only be 180 student days a year, but there’s a lot more than that worked for the teachers each year. Tons of late nights, lots of weekends, and working during their breaks they do get. How about we pay our teachers, firefighters, military, police, and all first responders what our pro sports players make and have the players get their salaries as they don’t work all year long either.
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Post by bill9068 on Feb 2, 2023 11:05:31 GMT -5
My son in law is a high school vice principal. He says you wouldn’t believe the amount of time and money and effort spent on discipline in schools. The break down of the family and mental health issues due to the COVID lockdown affected a generation of school children who will in a probability have issues all their life without treatment. He disciplines or suspends a few students every week.
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Post by jjas on Feb 2, 2023 11:28:56 GMT -5
huntsemall
The hispanic population would be my guess.
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Post by treetop on Feb 2, 2023 14:20:28 GMT -5
huntsemall The hispanic population would be my guess. Not sure about every were else but you don’t see as many young Hispanic people in the trades either anymore
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Post by treetop on Feb 2, 2023 14:32:43 GMT -5
It’s not just teachers that deal with it as a employer you can’t hardly say anything or do anything for fear of being sued you have to make them aware document it keep it on file give them chance ya know what some people just need fired plain and simple the only difference is they somehow made it out of school to the work force
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Post by SFC (R) B on Feb 3, 2023 19:07:12 GMT -5
While the things mentioned above are valid, I have a somewhat different perspective into schools, administration and teachers. I spent several years as a labor relations specialist for the Department of Defense Schools in Europe dealing with several thousand teachers and 3 different teachers unions. My job was not a "labor vs management" job as the administrators (up to the SES level) were ALL former teachers .....it was trying to find the best solutions for the governments goal of educating the children of servicemembers in overseas environments. I will say without reservation that a HUGE portion of the problems involved with education (outside of lack of parental involvement) are derivative of the unions. The burden they place on the system, their demands and utter disregard for the actual well being of children is astounding. I am NOT talking about individual teachers, but the union leadership and how they manipulate the system for their political and monetary agendas. For instance, teacher retirements in the US are by FAR the most lucrative of any public sector employees and when this is brought up the response is absolute entitlement. The number of outrageous grievances I had to deal with on a continual basis over complaints that were completely frivolous was sickening. The assets expended on dealing with the union could be much better used on classrooms but the unions are a money-making enterprise at their core. Further, a lot of the officious crap teachers despise is a direct result of having to dance around every little desire of the union with respect to training, wages/hours, facilities.......the list is endless.
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Post by steiny on Feb 5, 2023 10:22:24 GMT -5
[/quote]I think the money is always a factor and a big one. They don’t get paid very well considering all they have to our up with. Plus it may only be 180 student days a year, but there’s a lot more than that worked for the teachers each year. Tons of late nights, lots of weekends, and working during their breaks they do get. How about we pay our teachers, firefighters, military, police, and all first responders what our pro sports players make and have the players get their salaries as they don’t work all year long either. [/quote]
Sorry, but the above comes up every time on this subject. Based on personal observation I don't see much extra effort above and beyond the 180 required work days. Most teachers I observe are having fun and enjoying their off hours, spring breaks, Christmas breaks, three month summer breaks, etc.
Comparing pro athletes to public employees is just plain silly.
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