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Post by welder on Aug 25, 2022 14:50:23 GMT -5
Personal opinion: The Democrats are flat out buying votes.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 25, 2022 19:13:58 GMT -5
Personal opinion: The Democrats are flat out buying votes.
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Post by scrub-buster on Aug 25, 2022 22:57:34 GMT -5
Are there any stipulations on the debt forgiveness? Does the person have to have a degree to get it? What about the kids who attended a semester or two and did nothing buy party and drop out? They still have that debt. Are my tax dollars going to pay that off for them?
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Post by beermaker on Aug 26, 2022 4:27:49 GMT -5
Perhaps the best remark that I have heard is that plumbers and electricians will now be responsible for paying off the college debt for a Starbucks worker that has a Phd in "gender studies."
I graduated from college debt free. How, may a current student ask? With hard work, sacrifice, discipline, and great parents. During summer breaks I worked construction and mowed grass. I worked for a local farmer on all breaks during the school year and on any weekend that I came home. I started working on that farm before I could drive. They let me come and go as I was available. I did not go on one single vacation during college, spring break or otherwise. We lived in a modest house, mom and dad both worked hard and didn't indulge in any bad habits, didn't take lavish vacations, drove ordinary GM vehicles, didn't have a credit card, etc.
My wife earned her master's degree soon after we were married. I mowed grass after work and she babysat to earn extra money. No loan needed. She earned her Phd after our second daughter was born. We paid for it along the way with money from a HELOC. We paid that off, tax free, within a year of her completing the courses. She taught online college classes and I did some remodeling work to earn extra money. Again, no vacations or otherwise irresponsible spending.
I realize that college costs more now than it did back then, but I think it's all relative. If you, or your children want to further an education, it's only reasonable to assume that some personal sacrifices should be made.
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Post by welder on Aug 26, 2022 4:41:26 GMT -5
Perhaps the best remark that I have heard is that plumbers and electricians will now be responsible for paying off the college debt for a Starbucks worker that has a Phd in "gender studies." I graduated from college debt free. How, may a current student ask? With hard work, sacrifice, discipline, and great parents. During summer breaks I worked construction and mowed grass. I worked for a local farmer on all breaks during the school year and on any weekend that I came home. I started working on that farm before I could drive. They let me come and go as I was available. I did not go on one single vacation during college, spring break or otherwise. We lived in a modest house, mom and dad both worked hard and didn't indulge in any bad habits, didn't take lavish vacations, drove ordinary GM vehicles, didn't have a credit card, etc. My wife earned her master's degree soon after we were married. I mowed grass after work and she babysat to earn extra money. No loan needed. She earned her Phd after our second daughter was born. We paid for it along the way with money from a HELOC. We paid that off, tax free, within a year of her completing the courses. She taught online college classes and I did some remodeling work to earn extra money. Again, no vacations or otherwise irresponsible spending. I realize that college costs more now than it did back then, but I think it's all relative. If you, or your children want to further an education, it's only reasonable to assume that some personal sacrifices should be made. EXCELLENT POST!
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Post by steiny on Aug 26, 2022 11:43:40 GMT -5
I'm pretty disgusted by the whole thing. Hope this counts as taxable income against the recipients, but something tells me it won't.
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Post by greyhair on Aug 26, 2022 11:59:17 GMT -5
Look at how many Congressmen had hundreds of thousands in paycheck protection plan loans forgiven. MTG got $180,000. Matt Gaetz over a million. Must be a list somewhere. Dems and Repubs finally working together
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Post by jtclark on Aug 27, 2022 8:55:00 GMT -5
There are a LOT more deserving people out there that could use their debt transferred to others than students who possibly took courses that are worthless in the real world. Poor planning on their parts to seek a degree that is not worth enough salary to pay off their student loans. Catastrophic cancer debt for one.. Higher "education" is a choice, cancer is not. How about us old folks that are living on very fixed incomes that are seeing our nest eggs becoming smaller and smaller due to Biden's handlers throwing money to the winds and their Democrat benefactors?? Money laundering... How about us old folks that worked hard all our lives, paid our bills, put our kids through school and paid off our mortgages, but still have to pay the government "property taxes" to be able to stay and live in our very own homes? Hopefully we have had enough and can turn this around soon, very soon..or our once great country is doomed. They could have at the VERY LEAST required that these people GRADUATE in order to receive the hand out.
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Post by Woody Williams on Aug 27, 2022 10:54:39 GMT -5
You bring up a very good point. This “forgiveness” is not just for graduates but anyone who took out a student loan. A one year drop out that blew it all on spring break, keg parties and wine, women and song still gets “forgiven”.
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Post by duff on Aug 27, 2022 15:27:00 GMT -5
It is unbelievable that in record inflation the govt just keeps turning up the printing press.
The kick in the gut is the root cause is not addressed. In fact, I would bet money the head of the beast will only grow and brace yourselves...college tuition will keep increasing and the lending process won't change.
So what, we give 10k in debt forgiveness to a few select. How much was sent to Ukraine? How much did we all receive due to covid? Does any of it really matter? The debt that our govt operates in is not even fathomable by any of us. What is one more straw on the back of the taxpayers?
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Post by beermaker on Aug 27, 2022 16:22:35 GMT -5
You bring up a very good point. This “forgiveness” is not just for graduates but anyone who took out a student loan. A one year drop out that blew it all on spring break, keg parties and wine, women and song still gets “forgiven”. A particular clown that I went to high school spent a year living at college. Both semesters he signed up for classes, bought books, and then proceeded to drop out of all classes and return his books for cash. His parents didn't catch on until the end of second semester. I have an educated reason to believe that his vacation was all paid for via loans. By the way, he went on to amount to not crap and is (30 years later) still a free-loader that works just enough to get by. He is one person that I have known all of my life that I have absolutely NO respect for. He has never done a darn thing to contribute to society. He has "gamed" the system and gotten by by doing the least possible his whole life.
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Post by freedomhunter on Aug 27, 2022 16:51:46 GMT -5
Perhaps the best remark that I have heard is that plumbers and electricians will now be responsible for paying off the college debt for a Starbucks worker that has a Phd in "gender studies." I graduated from college debt free. How, may a current student ask? With hard work, sacrifice, discipline, and great parents. During summer breaks I worked construction and mowed grass. I worked for a local farmer on all breaks during the school year and on any weekend that I came home. I started working on that farm before I could drive. They let me come and go as I was available. I did not go on one single vacation during college, spring break or otherwise. We lived in a modest house, mom and dad both worked hard and didn't indulge in any bad habits, didn't take lavish vacations, drove ordinary GM vehicles, didn't have a credit card, etc. My wife earned her master's degree soon after we were married. I mowed grass after work and she babysat to earn extra money. No loan needed. She earned her Phd after our second daughter was born. We paid for it along the way with money from a HELOC. We paid that off, tax free, within a year of her completing the courses. She taught online college classes and I did some remodeling work to earn extra money. Again, no vacations or otherwise irresponsible spending. I realize that college costs more now than it did back then, but I think it's all relative. If you, or your children want to further an education, it's only reasonable to assume that some personal sacrifices should be made. What plumbers and electricians? There are houses sitting everywhere half finished and can't find either not to mention the supplies like e-boxes
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Post by treetop on Aug 27, 2022 17:25:04 GMT -5
Just remember Joe said only the wealthy and big corporations will be taxed looks I’m wealthy now
Think of this most people don’t realize it
Two years a go you could buy a TV for a 100 bucks with 7 percent sales tax now with Inflation it’s 200 with 7 percent sales tax snuck that one in on ya didn’t they The whole thing is a joke now you see some dems saying that’s not what I wanted that’s not how I wanted it to be than tell me this Why did you vote yes your only jumping ship now to save your own butt and job As others have said get a second job work over get a weekend job you can have your me time when you get everything paid off.
Does anybody have stats on how many people work in the field they went to college for
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Post by treetop on Aug 27, 2022 17:37:01 GMT -5
Perhaps the best remark that I have heard is that plumbers and electricians will now be responsible for paying off the college debt for a Starbucks worker that has a Phd in "gender studies." I graduated from college debt free. How, may a current student ask? With hard work, sacrifice, discipline, and great parents. During summer breaks I worked construction and mowed grass. I worked for a local farmer on all breaks during the school year and on any weekend that I came home. I started working on that farm before I could drive. They let me come and go as I was available. I did not go on one single vacation during college, spring break or otherwise. We lived in a modest house, mom and dad both worked hard and didn't indulge in any bad habits, didn't take lavish vacations, drove ordinary GM vehicles, didn't have a credit card, etc. My wife earned her master's degree soon after we were married. I mowed grass after work and she babysat to earn extra money. No loan needed. She earned her Phd after our second daughter was born. We paid for it along the way with money from a HELOC. We paid that off, tax free, within a year of her completing the courses. She taught online college classes and I did some remodeling work to earn extra money. Again, no vacations or otherwise irresponsible spending. I realize that college costs more now than it did back then, but I think it's all relative. If you, or your children want to further an education, it's only reasonable to assume that some personal sacrifices should be made. What plumbers and electricians? There are houses sitting everywhere half finished and can't find either not to mention the supplies like e-boxes Fort Wayne is in shambles I know of homes that have been sitting for 8 10 weeks waiting on windows garage doors can’t get them I’ve got a custom home I’m doing I ordered the windows before I even broke ground I sealed the windows off so rain didn’t come in we were installing the cabinets before they came house was drywalled painted and dang near had flooring before I got windows I’m still waiting on siding ordered same time it’s nothing special either got a speck house going also been waiting 3 weeks on a drywall finisher just unbelievable
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Post by greghopper on Aug 27, 2022 17:58:10 GMT -5
Perhaps the best remark that I have heard is that plumbers and electricians will now be responsible for paying off the college debt for a Starbucks worker that has a Phd in "gender studies." I graduated from college debt free. How, may a current student ask? With hard work, sacrifice, discipline, and great parents. During summer breaks I worked construction and mowed grass. I worked for a local farmer on all breaks during the school year and on any weekend that I came home. I started working on that farm before I could drive. They let me come and go as I was available. I did not go on one single vacation during college, spring break or otherwise. We lived in a modest house, mom and dad both worked hard and didn't indulge in any bad habits, didn't take lavish vacations, drove ordinary GM vehicles, didn't have a credit card, etc. My wife earned her master's degree soon after we were married. I mowed grass after work and she babysat to earn extra money. No loan needed. She earned her Phd after our second daughter was born. We paid for it along the way with money from a HELOC. We paid that off, tax free, within a year of her completing the courses. She taught online college classes and I did some remodeling work to earn extra money. Again, no vacations or otherwise irresponsible spending. I realize that college costs more now than it did back then, but I think it's all relative. If you, or your children want to further an education, it's only reasonable to assume that some personal sacrifices should be made. What plumbers and electricians? There are houses sitting everywhere half finished and can't find either not to mention the supplies like e-boxes The Union guy’s…. Everyone that wants to work is working! At their own pace also….
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Post by beermaker on Aug 29, 2022 17:53:46 GMT -5
Look at how many Congressmen had hundreds of thousands in paycheck protection plan loans forgiven. MTG got $180,000. Matt Gaetz over a million. Must be a list somewhere. Dems and Repubs finally working together Let's clarify something. PPP - Money granted to employers from the Gvt due to the fact that the same Gvt abused it's power and exercised gross overreach in the process of forcing businesses to shut down as the result of a viral infection. PPP was to make up for lost wages of those who (involuntarily) lost income. Student Loans - Money borrowed by (voluntarily) and promised to pay back by an individual in return for college courses. Make no mistake, I think the whole Gvt system is corrupt as hell and a crock of crap, but let's look at the issues from a factual viewpoint.
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Post by greyhair on Aug 29, 2022 21:26:17 GMT -5
My Union - the Laborers - has been crying for people to sign up. Really good pay, top benefits and good pension. People just dont want to work that hard I guess.
Also,tons of applicants can't pass the drug screening.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Aug 30, 2022 6:38:36 GMT -5
My wife is a teacher and there are less kids these days. No more baby boomers and 2008 downturn caused a 30-50% drop on kids born. The rate has slowly picked up. You add in all the drug issues with lower number of kids, and you have a supply and demand issue. Observe how many families have more than 3 kids, then more than 5.
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Post by steiny on Aug 30, 2022 11:18:43 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/653527/thread" PPP - Money granted to employers; from the Gvt due to the fact that the same Gvt abused it's power and exercised gross overreach in the process of forcing businesses to shut down as the result of a viral infection. PPP was to make up for lost wages of those who (involuntarily) lost income. However, many businesses were not impacted too badly by Covid, took the PPE money they really didn't need and just improved their bottom lines immensely. So long as you retained your workforce through the time frame, met a few simple requirements and filled out the paperwork correctly it was free money. Lenders were pushing this stuff hard, as they got nice fees for handling these transactions. Small businesses such as two man farm operations got this free money if they jumped through the hoops. I'm sure some such as motels and restaurants desperately needed it, but to a whole lot it was just free money.
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Post by esshup on Sept 3, 2022 15:28:49 GMT -5
It is unbelievable that in record inflation the govt just keeps turning up the printing press. The kick in the gut is the root cause is not addressed. In fact, I would bet money the head of the beast will only grow and brace yourselves...college tuition will keep increasing and the lending process won't change. So what, we give 10k in debt forgiveness to a few select. How much was sent to Ukraine? How much did we all receive due to covid? Does any of it really matter? The debt that our govt operates in is not even fathomable by any of us. What is one more straw on the back of the taxpayers? The question that I've never seen asked or answered is this: Those Covid loans/monies that were handed out and now are being seized because people fraudulently applied for those monies. Where is that money going now that it has been seized? Is it going to businesses that applied late and were turned down because the program "ran out of money" or is it going into someone else's pocket and not being talked about?
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