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Mar 2, 2022 6:18:55 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Mar 2, 2022 6:18:55 GMT -5
Rapidly losing "support" for Putin and his tactics. Support is vague. Its more, I understood. Standing on middle ground, i understood what this was about and why he was doing what he was doing. I also have the ability to see the comparison of what the united states has done in the past to what he is trying to accomplish. The more I hear about Ukraine willing to negotiate and Putin denying any sense of the word, the less I feel this can have any sense of victory for him except land ownership.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 19:12:12 GMT -5
Rapidly losing "support" for Putin and his tactics. Support is vague. Its more, I understood. Standing on middle ground, i understood what this was about and why he was doing what he was doing. I also have the ability to see the comparison of what the united states has done in the past to what he is trying to accomplish. The more I hear about Ukraine willing to negotiate and Putin denying any sense of the word, the less I feel this can have any sense of victory for him except land ownership. I dont understand how you had support in the first place. Ukraine us a sovereign country leave it alone.
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Mar 2, 2022 19:59:54 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Mar 2, 2022 19:59:54 GMT -5
Rapidly losing "support" for Putin and his tactics. Support is vague. Its more, I understood. Standing on middle ground, i understood what this was about and why he was doing what he was doing. I also have the ability to see the comparison of what the united states has done in the past to what he is trying to accomplish. The more I hear about Ukraine willing to negotiate and Putin denying any sense of the word, the less I feel this can have any sense of victory for him except land ownership. I dont understand how you had support in the first place. Ukraine us a sovereign country leave it alone. Support may have been the wrong word to use. Understand maybe what I meant to say.
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Post by bartiks on Mar 2, 2022 20:01:02 GMT -5
It's very rarely that I delve into politics all that much because it is such a quagmire. However after making it thru a whole page and a half of this thread I had to skip to the end. I've read a lot that Putin is anti-nato, has anyone forgot that Russia IS in nato AND is a permanent member of nato AND has veto powers? And the thought of us sanctioning Russia to death? Please, and let me be first to say that I do not and repeat do not condone the use of our troops to fight another war. But the whole world sanctioning Russia so they will feel the squeeze? Please, if that is the case WHY are we still purchasing oil from Russia? Why do we think that the sanctions against Russia will put a hurting on the socialist regime. Let us think for one iota that the sanctions that the world is placing upon Russia will hurt them, you have a little red country next door to them who will definitely NOT put sanctions on Russia. Did we forget about the Chi-coms? To those of you on here who initially said they had respect for Putin, I will not comment on the issue. With all that being said I'm cutting it off here since I can already feel the IRE starting to raise in me.
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Post by genesis273 on Mar 2, 2022 20:18:28 GMT -5
It's very rarely that I delve into politics all that much because it is such a quagmire. However after making it thru a whole page and a half of this thread I had to skip to the end. I've read a lot that Putin is anti-nato, has anyone forgot that Russia IS in nato AND is a permanent member of nato AND has veto powers? And the thought of us sanctioning Russia to death? Please, and let me be first to say that I do not and repeat do not condone the use of our troops to fight another war. But the whole world sanctioning Russia so they will feel the squeeze? Please, if that is the case WHY are we still purchasing oil from Russia? Why do we think that the sanctions against Russia will put a hurting on the socialist regime. Let us think for one iota that the sanctions that the world is placing upon Russia will hurt them, you have a little red country next door to them who will definitely NOT put sanctions on Russia. Did we forget about the Chi-coms? To those of you on here who initially said they had respect for Putin, I will not comment on the issue. With all that being said I'm cutting it off here since I can already feel the IRE starting to raise in me. Just to scratch a little bit of what you said. Biden wants his sheep to believe he's trying to help. But, by purchasing oil from Russia, those of us who hadn't drank the Kool aid, know that Biden is not doing one thing to punish him. If Biden was really wanting to help, he'd open open the keystone pipeline and drill here and tell Putin to shove it.
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Post by deadeer on Mar 2, 2022 23:19:55 GMT -5
Drill baby drill..
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Post by sculver7 on Mar 3, 2022 8:49:20 GMT -5
It's very rarely that I delve into politics all that much because it is such a quagmire. However after making it thru a whole page and a half of this thread I had to skip to the end. I've read a lot that Putin is anti-nato, has anyone forgot that Russia IS in nato AND is a permanent member of nato AND has veto powers? And the thought of us sanctioning Russia to death? Please, and let me be first to say that I do not and repeat do not condone the use of our troops to fight another war. But the whole world sanctioning Russia so they will feel the squeeze? Please, if that is the case WHY are we still purchasing oil from Russia? Why do we think that the sanctions against Russia will put a hurting on the socialist regime. Let us think for one iota that the sanctions that the world is placing upon Russia will hurt them, you have a little red country next door to them who will definitely NOT put sanctions on Russia. Did we forget about the Chi-coms? To those of you on here who initially said they had respect for Putin, I will not comment on the issue. With all that being said I'm cutting it off here since I can already feel the IRE starting to raise in me. I have heard the argument that "Biden has no control over gas prices; it is OPEC that sets fuel prices." This is a false statement in many ways. 1. OPEC doesn't set prices, they merely manipulate the exportation to "ensure the stabilization of oil markets in order to secure an efficient, economic and regular supply of petroleum to consumers." The US is not a member of OPEC but more importantly, the US sits atop massive reserves of crude oil. This brings me to point number 2. Day one of the Biden Administration, he put a stop to the Keystone XL pipeline. At the time, gas was between $1.86 and $2.00 across the US. Shortly after that, gas went way up and we all know where it sits today (roughly 1 year and 1 month after Biden took up residence in DC). More interestingly, take one guess where Biden shuffled money to for another pipeline... Russia. Now the argument is made that we are roughly 10 years away from efficient production of oil in the US. I will fully admit that I have no idea if this claim is true or not; all I find is conflicting info from "we are already producing" to "we will never be able to produce." That being said, what caused our low gas prices the last couple of years is that we were moving toward energy independence where OPEC would have no control oil being exported to the US. All we heard from one political party during Trump's term was about his "collusion with Russia." Meanwhile, day one of the Biden administration, there was blatant collusion with russia through financial support of their pipeline AND, it was at the expense of our own oil production. Don't get me wrong, there were things that Trump did that got on my nerves, but for the most part, policy-wise, we were 100X better off than we are now. And I have yet to have anyone explain how anything is better now than it was under Trump. To my point though, you are correct that it is absolutely assinine to claim to want to "empose crippling sanctions" on Russia while we in fact support Russia in what actually creates massive wealth for them. And this is just looking at fuel prices...
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Ukraine
Mar 3, 2022 10:04:49 GMT -5
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Post by greyhair on Mar 3, 2022 10:04:49 GMT -5
Russia is part of NATO? Well I'll be darned. That changes everything.
As for oil, the US rig count is steadily increasing - for over a year now - so "we" ARE drilling, baby. The oil companies decide when and where to explore and produce, based on on many factors, price forecast chief among them. Not the government. The oil majors are sitting on tons of leases now that they have not worked yet, waiting on higher prices.
When their profits are extremely high, and so is your gas price, who is to blame?
The Oil and Gas Journal is an excellent source of information.
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Mar 3, 2022 10:15:03 GMT -5
Post by sculver7 on Mar 3, 2022 10:15:03 GMT -5
Russia is part of NATO? Well I'll be darned. That changes everything. As for oil, the US rig count is steadily increasing - for over a year now - so "we" ARE drilling, baby. The oil companies decide when and where to explore and produce, based on on many factors, price forecast chief among them. Not the government. The oil majors are sitting on tons of leases now that they have not worked yet, waiting on higher prices. When their profits are extremely high, and so is your gas price, who is to blame? The Oil and Gas Journal is an excellent source of information. Interesting. Can you explain why gas prices plummeted when we started conciously seeking to become energy independent (2017ish) and stayed low for 3.5 years and then doubled in the span of less than a year?
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Ukraine
Mar 3, 2022 10:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Mar 3, 2022 10:30:04 GMT -5
Russia is part of NATO? Well I'll be darned. That changes everything. As for oil, the US rig count is steadily increasing - for over a year now - so "we" ARE drilling, baby. The oil companies decide when and where to explore and produce, based on on many factors, price forecast chief among them. Not the government. The oil majors are sitting on tons of leases now that they have not worked yet, waiting on higher prices. When their profits are extremely high, and so is your gas price, who is to blame? The Oil and Gas Journal is an excellent source of information. Interesting. Can you explain why gas prices plummeted when we started conciously seeking to become energy independent (2017ish) and stayed low for 3.5 years and then doubled in the span of less than a year? That’s a hard twist to understand no doubt! Not really a matter of needing to drill more … they just need to start pumping more .IMO Wasn’t the keystone line going to pump out of Canada?maybe not!
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Post by sculver7 on Mar 3, 2022 11:14:27 GMT -5
Interesting. Can you explain why gas prices plummeted when we started conciously seeking to become energy independent (2017ish) and stayed low for 3.5 years and then doubled in the span of less than a year? That’s a hard twist to understand no doubt! Not really a matter of needing to drill more … they just need to start pumping more .IMO Wasn’t the keystone line going to pump out of Canada?maybe not! It does run from Canada. It runs to refineries in Texas and Illinois and also to the center distribution hub in Oklahoma/Nebraska. This does not mean that all (or even the majority) of the oil is being produced in Canada. The pipeline would give access to the northern states (ND, SD, MN). Yes, we could pump more, but the problem (and what the pipeline would have made much more available) is access to the logistical issue of moving crude oil to refineries and distribution centers. It is also worth mentioning that the US exports more oil than it imports, which begs a massive question: why are we swapping oil for oil when we send out more oil than we take in? And if somebody is going to claim that it is capitalist greed on the part of these oil companies, then why were all of the oil companies supporting the pipeline's construction/usage? Besides that, the government's end goal here is to completely eliminate oil usage... so yea, corporate greed is the reason why gas prices are so high. Holding out for more profit coupled with the government being hellbent on getting rid of oil will do wonders for the oil companies looking forward. That makes sense.
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Ukraine
Mar 3, 2022 11:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by greyhair on Mar 3, 2022 11:33:52 GMT -5
Here is an example- Diamondback Energy, a mid-level player, has announced that they will not put any money at all this FY into exploration or development. Rather, they will use the money to pay dividends and buy back shares.
The goal being a higher stock price, not lower gas prices.
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Mar 3, 2022 11:46:39 GMT -5
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Post by greyhair on Mar 3, 2022 11:46:39 GMT -5
No money to E&D, despite oil over $100.
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Mar 3, 2022 11:55:34 GMT -5
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Post by greyhair on Mar 3, 2022 11:55:34 GMT -5
ExxonMobil's CEO does not sit around thinking about how to make our gas cheaper.
OPEC, of course, can release reserves, and drive the price down when we start getting too uppity with domestic production. They have done it before.
In the long-term, the answer is not just getting off of foreign oil, it is reducing dependence on oil altogether.
BP for one is starting to get bigger in alternatives to oil. They see the handwriting. Not necessarily because they are big on the environment, but because they see where the money will be in the future.
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Post by duff on Mar 3, 2022 12:02:59 GMT -5
ExxonMobil's CEO does not sit around thinking about how to make our gas cheaper. OPEC, of course, can release reserves, and drive the price down when we start getting too uppity with domestic production. They have done it before. In the long-term, the answer is not just getting off of foreign oil, it is reducing dependence on oil altogether. BP for one is starting to get bigger in alternatives to oil. They see the handwriting. Not necessarily because they are big on the environment, but because they see where the money will be in the future. Bingo. You are either growing or shrinking. Car companies are doing the same. Honestly these companies are not really concerned about anything but being profitable. Govt pushes the agendas through policy, tax breaks and other funding. Corn production, oil production, vehicle manufacturing etc... The saying "if everyone is responsible then no one is responsible" comes to mind. It ain't me it is them.
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Ukraine
Mar 3, 2022 12:11:53 GMT -5
Post by sculver7 on Mar 3, 2022 12:11:53 GMT -5
So, again I ask: why was gas at such a reasonable price for so long and then it doubled in less than a year? Did the oil companies decide not to be greedy from 2017 to 2021?
Just because one mid-level company isn't investing in expanding/exploration does not mean that is the pattern. BP has been involved in many things other than oil for a long time. They are big enough to pivot when oil demand decreases. A lot of oil companies are not big enough to pivot and therefore, as you said (as did I) this move to eliminate oil use will kill them. It makes no sense for a company who makes their money from oil to hold out for higher prices (as you claimed they are) if their product is going to be decreasing in demand... possibly to 0. By the way, we are no where near ready to get rid of our dependance on oil. This adminstration is putting the cart in front of the horse... and the cart's not even built yet.
It also does not explain our tax money financially supporting a Russian pipeline. You want to find the biggest example of greed and corruption, look no further than the elected "servants" of the American people.
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Mar 3, 2022 12:31:53 GMT -5
Post by jman46151 on Mar 3, 2022 12:31:53 GMT -5
It's very rarely that I delve into politics all that much because it is such a quagmire. However after making it thru a whole page and a half of this thread I had to skip to the end. I've read a lot that Putin is anti-nato, has anyone forgot that Russia IS in nato AND is a permanent member of nato AND has veto powers? And the thought of us sanctioning Russia to death? Please, and let me be first to say that I do not and repeat do not condone the use of our troops to fight another war. But the whole world sanctioning Russia so they will feel the squeeze? Please, if that is the case WHY are we still purchasing oil from Russia? Why do we think that the sanctions against Russia will put a hurting on the socialist regime. Let us think for one iota that the sanctions that the world is placing upon Russia will hurt them, you have a little red country next door to them who will definitely NOT put sanctions on Russia. Did we forget about the Chi-coms? To those of you on here who initially said they had respect for Putin, I will not comment on the issue. With all that being said I'm cutting it off here since I can already feel the IRE starting to raise in me. Russia is not part of NATO. Russia is part of the UN. The Russia-NATO Council was established in 2002 to handle security issues and joint projects. NATO decided to suspended cooperation with Russia in 2014 following Russia's Ukraine invasion, not including the NATO-Russia Council. Russia and NATO have held several meetings since 2016, and NATO states that an improvement in their relationship with Russia is dependent on Russia's compliance with international law and their commitments.
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Post by jman46151 on Mar 3, 2022 12:33:01 GMT -5
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Mar 3, 2022 12:33:01 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Mar 3, 2022 12:33:01 GMT -5
That’s a hard twist to understand no doubt! Not really a matter of needing to drill more … they just need to start pumping more .IMO Wasn’t the keystone line going to pump out of Canada?maybe not! It does run from Canada. It runs to refineries in Texas and Illinois and also to the center distribution hub in Oklahoma/Nebraska. This does not mean that all (or even the majority) of the oil is being produced in Canada. The pipeline would give access to the northern states (ND, SD, MN). Yes, we could pump more, but the problem (and what the pipeline would have made much more available) is access to the logistical issue of moving crude oil to refineries and distribution centers. It is also worth mentioning that the US exports more oil than it imports, which begs a massive question: why are we swapping oil for oil when we send out more oil than we take in? And if somebody is going to claim that it is capitalist greed on the part of these oil companies, then why were all of the oil companies supporting the pipeline's construction/usage? Besides that, the government's end goal here is to completely eliminate oil usage... so yea, corporate greed is the reason why gas prices are so high. Holding out for more profit coupled with the government being hellbent on getting rid of oil will do wonders for the oil companies looking forward. That makes sense. Yep… the oil is here and so are the pump … not a drilling issue! Would more drilling help … yes! But pumping more to keep Here (USA) is the answer. IMO Biggest cry I remember with keystone pipe line was lost of jobs in USA IIRC.
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Mar 3, 2022 13:05:22 GMT -5
Post by sculver7 on Mar 3, 2022 13:05:22 GMT -5
It does run from Canada. It runs to refineries in Texas and Illinois and also to the center distribution hub in Oklahoma/Nebraska. This does not mean that all (or even the majority) of the oil is being produced in Canada. The pipeline would give access to the northern states (ND, SD, MN). Yes, we could pump more, but the problem (and what the pipeline would have made much more available) is access to the logistical issue of moving crude oil to refineries and distribution centers. It is also worth mentioning that the US exports more oil than it imports, which begs a massive question: why are we swapping oil for oil when we send out more oil than we take in? And if somebody is going to claim that it is capitalist greed on the part of these oil companies, then why were all of the oil companies supporting the pipeline's construction/usage? Besides that, the government's end goal here is to completely eliminate oil usage... so yea, corporate greed is the reason why gas prices are so high. Holding out for more profit coupled with the government being hellbent on getting rid of oil will do wonders for the oil companies looking forward. That makes sense. Yep… the oil is here and so are the pump … not a drilling issue! Would more drilling help … yes! But pumping more to keep Here (USA) is the answer. IMO Biggest cry I remember with keystone pipe line was lost of jobs in USA IIRC. But we export more oil than we import. We as a country need to quit sending our money, resources, assets elsewhere while we struggle to provide our own people with the same things. Government puts "sanctions" into motion that make it so dificult for citizens/companies to provide services, goods, etc., to our own people while we send the money made off those very people to other countries to produce the same services, goods, etc. All while those countries hate us. This results in higher prices for American citizens to get the same things that we could have gotten for cheaper and in a much quicker timeframe. It'd be like feeding steak to the dog down the street while our kids dumpster dive for rotten apples.... And the dog takes a dump in our front lawn every day.
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