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Feb 24, 2022 9:14:59 GMT -5
Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 24, 2022 9:14:59 GMT -5
I hope Putin is successful getting the Kremlin out and get that area stabilized. I hope NATO and USA stays out. This is regional and Democracy (Russia) vs socialism (Old Kremlin)
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 24, 2022 9:31:07 GMT -5
The Dems wanted to get rid of Trump at all costs. This IS the cost.
We were energy independent and exporting oil and gas. Now we are buying oil and gas from the Middle East AND Russia. Joey, with the “New Green Deal” , just handed over the power reigns to Putin.
Like I said Taiwan and South Korea are next.
Will the market rebound? Sure, but when will that be? Probably not soon enough for some of us living in fixed income and watching our life savings that we depend on being pretty well wiped out.
Add massive inflation on top of that and I am not optimistic. I do know in my heart that God will provide my needs.
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Feb 24, 2022 9:39:17 GMT -5
Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 24, 2022 9:39:17 GMT -5
The truckers are now starting to surround DC, Ottawa is still a mess and there are about a dozen more world protests. All protest against global control. Russia is fighting the old kremlin rule in Ukraine that NATO and USA are backing. Now the largest freedom fighters. Why is the USA backing the old kremlin rule. Global control.
The question is which way will the world turn. Individual freedoms or Global socialisms.
What will the world be 2025?
Natural being verses Person!
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Feb 24, 2022 10:06:46 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Feb 24, 2022 10:06:46 GMT -5
The Dems wanted to get rid of Trump at all costs. This IS the cost. We were energy independent and exporting oil and gas. Now we are buying oil and gas from the Middle East AND Russia. Joey, with the “New Green Deal” , just handed over the power reigns to Putin. Like I said Taiwan and South Korea are next. Will the market rebound? Sure, but when will that be? Probably not soon enough for some of us living in fixed income and watching our life savings that we depend on being pretty well wiped out. Add massive inflation on top of that and I am not optimistic. I do know in my heart that God will provide my needs. And watch…. Some will be ok with invading Taiwan and South Korea just like they are with Ukraine!! Unreal…🤦♂️ “None of our business “…. “Won’t affect us”
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Feb 24, 2022 11:13:52 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Feb 24, 2022 11:13:52 GMT -5
Again. I'll ask. What would you have them do? Sanctions don't mean a thing to any of the three. Military? Are you willing to send American troops. Willing to have family members die. For what. So he can't realign the Soviet Union? What's the solution. Don't matter who is in office. Trump in all his grand glory wouldn't have any stance. We leave it alone or we send American soldiers to die and there will be a lot of them. Russia isn't Afghanistan. What you all are implying is world War 3. For what? Please tell me what you'd have happen.
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Feb 24, 2022 11:21:58 GMT -5
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Post by greyhair on Feb 24, 2022 11:21:58 GMT -5
It is not correct that we were energy independent and now are not. The numbers for imports, exports, inventories, production and drilling are easily available online.
Just to note one - the number of drilling rigs operating in the US has been steadily increasing and is about double a year ago.
The Oil and Gas Journal is the best source of information on this topic. Also Rigzone.
Politicians have a habit of shooting out oversimplified statements, knowing that people will not likely dig into the details.
The oldest political trick in the book.
That said, let us all pray that this does not spin out of control. Putin is openly talking about nuclear weapons if anyone interferes.
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Feb 24, 2022 11:25:05 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Feb 24, 2022 11:25:05 GMT -5
It is not correct that we were energy independent and now are not. The numbers for imports, exports, inventories, production and drilling are easily available online. Just to note one - the number of drilling rigs operating in the US has been steadily increasing and is about double a year ago. The Oil and Gas Journal is the best source of information on this topic. Also Rigzone. Politicians have a habit of shooting out oversimplified statements, knowing that people will not likely dig into the details. The oldest political trick in the book. That said, let us all pray that this does not spin out of control. Putin is openly talking about nuclear weapons if anyone interferes. The problem isn't the oil coming out of the ground, the problem is the refining it. But you get it.
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Post by duff on Feb 24, 2022 11:53:04 GMT -5
This isn't the crazy Kim jong un. When russia threatens nuclear war it becomes a global issue and that includes USA.
Does anyone think putin winning his bluff makes him less power hungry? We mind our business solves exactly what? This is our business. It ain't your neighbors fighting over a tree on the fence line. It is a power hungry world super power with nuclear capabilities.
I am worried about our future.
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Feb 24, 2022 12:04:19 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Feb 24, 2022 12:04:19 GMT -5
Power hungry for what? The reunite the former Soviet Union. To not have NATO missles capable of hitting inside Russia on its border. How is that any different than Bay of Pigs? Why is it okay for the united states to do the same hes being condemned for? And no. He absolutely won't stop until the former Soviet Union is together. He's said as much. Many either forget or do not know who Vladimir is or was.
Why are we so concerned? OMG. It'll destabilize the region. That region hasn't been stable since the Iron Curtain fell. Why aren't we as concerned with Ukraine trying to forcefully take back lands loyal to Russia within their borders?
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Post by greyhair on Feb 24, 2022 12:41:14 GMT -5
Partly, yes, refining capacity is a factor. I neglected to mention that, as well as transport.
The OGJ covers these as well.
It is often said that there have been no new refineries built in a long time. There have been major expansions of existing refineries however.
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Feb 24, 2022 12:57:20 GMT -5
Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Feb 24, 2022 12:57:20 GMT -5
The stock market is interesting. The banks are taking a bigger hit than the market average. Dow is around -1.3% Citigroup Inc59.35-6.12% Wells Fargo & Co50.98-5.51% Alibaba Group Holding Ltd103.71-5.48% Bank of America Corp42.43-5.25% JPMorgan Chase & Co140.79-5.31%
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Post by duff on Feb 24, 2022 14:08:38 GMT -5
Power hungry for what? The reunite the former Soviet Union. To not have NATO missles capable of hitting inside Russia on its border. How is that any different than Bay of Pigs? Why is it okay for the united states to do the same hes being condemned for? And no. He absolutely won't stop until the former Soviet Union is together. He's said as much. Many either forget or do not know who Vladimir is or was. Why are we so concerned? OMG. It'll destabilize the region. That region hasn't been stable since the Iron Curtain fell. Why aren't we as concerned with Ukraine trying to forcefully take back lands loyal to Russia within their borders? I am not going to claim I know anything or able to predict the future. I can say I am concerned about a super power that is willing to threaten any and all means necessary to get his way. Now that the majority of the world stepping into his face...he already said he is willing to lose the war but he will win some battles.
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Post by esshup on Feb 24, 2022 14:18:16 GMT -5
Curious, with all due respect. Pick a president of your choosing. Whomever is your favorite. What would you have had them do? It's not necessarily about what they will do but what Putin thinks they would do. He knows Biden is weak and his administration doesn't possess the capability to do anything meaningful. Unite NATO under one strategy, threaten military action, etc. Also we were energy independent, now we aren't and we get a lot of gas from Russia, Putin knows that. So he knows we can't sanction him without hurting ourselves. We were energy independent (mostly)up until the Biden admin. So really it's not about pick a president and tell me how he would react, it's about the posturing and the positioning to this point. Typed from a phone forgive errors. We get 7% of our daily crude from Russia. Lot of wells shuttered here recently, a buddy in OK has a shuttered one on his property and 2 days ago the oil co called and asked him what condition the gravel road was in going to the shuttered well.
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Feb 24, 2022 14:46:41 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Feb 24, 2022 14:46:41 GMT -5
It's not necessarily about what they will do but what Putin thinks they would do. He knows Biden is weak and his administration doesn't possess the capability to do anything meaningful. Unite NATO under one strategy, threaten military action, etc. Also we were energy independent, now we aren't and we get a lot of gas from Russia, Putin knows that. So he knows we can't sanction him without hurting ourselves. We were energy independent (mostly)up until the Biden admin. So really it's not about pick a president and tell me how he would react, it's about the posturing and the positioning to this point. Typed from a phone forgive errors. We get 7% of our daily crude from Russia. Lot of wells shuttered here recently, a buddy in OK has a shuttered one on his property and 2 days ago the oil co called and asked him what condition the gravel road was in going to the shuttered well. More on the oil & gas… www.usatoday.com/story/money/2022/02/23/gas-prices-rising-russia-ukraine/6912371001/
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Feb 24, 2022 15:41:13 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 15:41:13 GMT -5
It's not necessarily about what they will do but what Putin thinks they would do. He knows Biden is weak and his administration doesn't possess the capability to do anything meaningful. Unite NATO under one strategy, threaten military action, etc. Also we were energy independent, now we aren't and we get a lot of gas from Russia, Putin knows that. So he knows we can't sanction him without hurting ourselves. We were energy independent (mostly)up until the Biden admin. So really it's not about pick a president and tell me how he would react, it's about the posturing and the positioning to this point. Typed from a phone forgive errors. We get 7% of our daily crude from Russia. Lot of wells shuttered here recently, a buddy in OK has a shuttered one on his property and 2 days ago the oil co called and asked him what condition the gravel road was in going to the shuttered well. Well I sure hope that's a sign that the government is pulling their heads from the hole.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 24, 2022 15:45:12 GMT -5
We get 7% of our daily crude from Russia. Lot of wells shuttered here recently, a buddy in OK has a shuttered one on his property and 2 days ago the oil co called and asked him what condition the gravel road was in going to the shuttered well. Well I sure hope that's a sign that the government is pulling their heads from the hole. It means that oil is right at $100 a barrel and expected to go higher. If I had a idle oil well I’d start pumping pretty dang soon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 15:46:19 GMT -5
Power hungry for what? The reunite the former Soviet Union. To not have NATO missles capable of hitting inside Russia on its border. How is that any different than Bay of Pigs? Why is it okay for the united states to do the same hes being condemned for? And no. He absolutely won't stop until the former Soviet Union is together. He's said as much. Many either forget or do not know who Vladimir is or was. Why are we so concerned? OMG. It'll destabilize the region. That region hasn't been stable since the Iron Curtain fell. Why aren't we as concerned with Ukraine trying to forcefully take back lands loyal to Russia within their borders? People are concerned because it emboldens not only Russia in the future but China, etc. It's a test of how strong and resilient NATO is. It's not about Ukraine its about what Ukraine means. It's all about leverage and projection of power and the cards have been shown now that we (NATO) are on the back foot as was predicted by Russia.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 15:47:27 GMT -5
Well I sure hope that's a sign that the government is pulling their heads from the hole. It means that oil is right at $100 a barrel and expected to go higher. If I had a idle oil well I’d start pumping pretty dang soon. 100% agreed, I'm just saying the fact that wheels seem to be moving means that maybe people have woken up. Albeit too late imo.
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Feb 24, 2022 16:18:47 GMT -5
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Post by span870 on Feb 24, 2022 16:18:47 GMT -5
Power hungry for what? The reunite the former Soviet Union. To not have NATO missles capable of hitting inside Russia on its border. How is that any different than Bay of Pigs? Why is it okay for the united states to do the same hes being condemned for? And no. He absolutely won't stop until the former Soviet Union is together. He's said as much. Many either forget or do not know who Vladimir is or was. Why are we so concerned? OMG. It'll destabilize the region. That region hasn't been stable since the Iron Curtain fell. Why aren't we as concerned with Ukraine trying to forcefully take back lands loyal to Russia within their borders? People are concerned because it emboldens not only Russia in the future but China, etc. It's a test of how strong and resilient NATO is. It's not about Ukraine its about what Ukraine means. It's all about leverage and projection of power and the cards have been shown now that we (NATO) are on the back foot as was predicted by Russia. But Ukraine isn't a member of NATO and NATO shouldn't be doing one thing to protect them. You get it though. It's not about Ukraine at all and 100% what it means. Don't know if you ever had the chance to watch Oliver Stones interview with Putin but if not, watch it. Sheds quite a bit of light on the whole situation. My whole point I've been trying to make not directed at you by any means, is that shoe is on the other foot we are waving an American flag and all patriotic. Someone we see as an enemy does it we are ready to send troops. What i find extremely hilarious is the same people that preach Trump as the second coming are the same that cant see the resemblance of what they deem Trump as being. Putin exudes power and will do what he wants to improve his country and danged what anyone else thinks and he isn't going to ask twice. He was going to do it regardless who was in the oval office. He WILL reunite the former Soviet Union.
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Feb 24, 2022 16:46:09 GMT -5
Post by sculver7 on Feb 24, 2022 16:46:09 GMT -5
I don't know much about foreign policy... what I do know is that this is written about in great detail in a book I know. Something about the war of Gog and Magog... and it's not going to affect just the whole world; it will affect all of existence.
"Then the press was trampled outside the city, and blood flowed out of the press up to the horses' bridles for about 180 miles."
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