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Post by jjas on Aug 10, 2021 15:41:13 GMT -5
I have been watching and reading for months that "huge things are coming". Personally, I pretty much dismissed any real possibility of an election reversal or anything else for that matter a few months ago. However, it does APPEAR things are beginning to happen. I'm not getting my hopes up, but this is uncharted water. Time will tell. Care to elaborate or post some links to what you are talking about?
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Post by bartiks on Aug 10, 2021 16:10:02 GMT -5
I agree, what are you talking about?
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Post by welder on Aug 10, 2021 17:22:32 GMT -5
I have been watching and reading for months that "huge things are coming". Personally, I pretty much dismissed any real possibility of an election reversal or anything else for that matter a few months ago. However, it does APPEAR things are beginning to happen. I'm not getting my hopes up, but this is uncharted water. Time will tell. Care to elaborate or post some links to what you are talking about? I don't know how to post links. Specifically I am talking about election audit results.
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Post by jjas on Aug 10, 2021 18:38:55 GMT -5
Care to elaborate or post some links to what you are talking about? I don't know how to post links. Specifically I am talking about election audit results. Perhaps you could just give us some of the details of what it is you've read and where it came from?
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Sept 14, 2021 8:37:16 GMT -5
Here what is going to happen and we are starting to see it in the hospitals. Same is true in USA, but the evil empire is flipping the data and lying to us. Fact 1--Israel is the most COVID-vaccinated nation in the world. Fact 2–Israel is now battling its FOURTH wave of infection and vaccinated people are getting sick, being hospitalized and dying.
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Post by Woody Williams on Sept 14, 2021 8:52:44 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Sept 14, 2021 8:58:34 GMT -5
Fact 3 - Those who have been vaccinated are less likely to have a serious illness and/or die versus those who haven't received the vaccine.
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Post by tine-n-spur on Sept 14, 2021 9:22:21 GMT -5
Fact 3 - Those who have been vaccinated are less likely to have a serious illness and/or die versus those who haven't received the vaccine. Fact-4 You are correct!
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Post by genesis273 on Sept 14, 2021 13:01:29 GMT -5
Fact 5 - Vaccinated people are just as contagious as unvaccinated. The vaccine essential makes people asymptomatic.
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Post by genesis273 on Sept 14, 2021 13:22:37 GMT -5
Ultimately, it's impossible to know the truth about Covid and the vaccine. Those who are pro vaccine will push that agenda and quickly dismiss any information against it. Vice versa with the anti vaccine. The waters are far too muddy and the information has been tainted by both sides. We'll never know the full and accurate story.
I'm pro choice. It's up to the individual if they get the jab or not. It should not be up to the employers or schools. It sure as heck is not the business of the government.
I do however, get tired of the misconception by some that the only reason the virus is still spreading/active is due to the unvaccinated. It's a false narrative. Yes, the vaccinated are still getting covid but, not as many get hospitalized because their symptoms are less severe. I fully anticipate seeing more covid cases in the er in unvaccinated people. However, to simply suggest that the unvaccinated are spreading the virus is an uneducated statement and belief.
For instance, at my place of employment the unvaccinated are the only ones mandated to wear mask. The vaccinated walk around without them. Who is more protected from contracting the virus? CDC clearly and plainly admits that vaccine only lessens the symptoms and does not prevent it. We currently have some employees out with positive test results. Guess what the majority is, vaccinated. They're simply out of the office because they're positive but, no serious symptoms.
I'm not in favor of mask mandates but, I think that's more effective to prevent the spread than the vaccine. I choose to wear a mask. Even before the mask mandate for unvaccinated at my place of employment, I wore mine throughout the building outside of my office.
Mask or no mask, vaccine or no vaccine. People should have the freedom of choice.
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Post by esshup on Sept 14, 2021 13:39:57 GMT -5
I have been watching and reading for months that "huge things are coming". Personally, I pretty much dismissed any real possibility of an election reversal or anything else for that matter a few months ago. However, it does APPEAR things are beginning to happen. I'm not getting my hopes up, but this is uncharted water. Time will tell. Looks like time DID tell. Crickets, nothing but crickets. Like so much other BS that is being told today.
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Post by Mack Apiary Bees on Sept 14, 2021 13:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by jjas on Sept 14, 2021 15:03:27 GMT -5
genesis273
And the above is why people who aren't vaccinated should be vaccinated.
The hospitals are full of non-vaccinated people who are in rough shape. Yes, there are vaccinated people who are sick as well, but most are not nearly as sick as the non-vaccinated and are in the hospitals @ much lower rates.
genesis273
And there's another spot where you and I disagree. There are people who can't get needed medical procedures done because so many of the non-vaccinated are clogging up the hospitals. So that "choice" is helping to exacerbate medical issues for others. I wonder how many people would still feel that way if the person who couldn't get treatment for a serious medical issue was their spouse, child, parent, neighbor, co-worker or friend, and that person died.
IMO, this is a situation where we need to do what is best for the common good, instead of what we think is best for us as individuals.
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Post by genesis273 on Sept 14, 2021 16:56:47 GMT -5
genesis273 And the above is why people who aren't vaccinated should be vaccinated. The hospitals are full of non-vaccinated people who are in rough shape. Yes, there are vaccinated people who are sick as well, but most are not nearly as sick as the non-vaccinated and are in the hospitals @ much lower rates. genesis273 And there's another spot where you and I disagree. There are people who can't get needed medical procedures done because so many of the non-vaccinated are clogging up the hospitals. So that "choice" is helping to exacerbate medical issues for others. I wonder how many people would still feel that way if the person who couldn't get treatment for a serious medical issue was their spouse, child, parent, neighbor, co-worker or friend, and that person died. IMO, this is a situation where we need to do what is best for the common good, instead of what we think is best for us as individuals. Perhaps you're right if those scenarios had been my experience. But, they haven't been. And I'm sadden for those who had the experience that you outlined. However, what has been my experience is a co-worker whose mom, fully vaccinated, ended up with covid and on a ventilator for a week in a half. She's still hospitalized today. Another experience is a cousin in Missouri, healthy, no underlining medical issues known, 46 years old recieved the vaccine. 4 days later she passed away after blood clots invaded both lungs. People have great reason and experience to believe in the vaccine. Others, well, they too have good reasons not to believe in the vaccine. Again, I'm sadden for those who have had such negative experiences on BOTH sides of the aisle.
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Post by freedomhunter on Sept 14, 2021 17:05:52 GMT -5
I would guess the big thing that is going to happen is civil war, Biden's handlers want this, this is why they are being brazen and reckless. It would weaken our country to the point that china could take over and they want this. On another note, i guess the hospital numbers leaked that over half of the rona was diagnosed after someone went there for something else, for money no doubt. Simple stuff
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Post by jjas on Sept 14, 2021 18:22:04 GMT -5
genesis273 And the above is why people who aren't vaccinated should be vaccinated. The hospitals are full of non-vaccinated people who are in rough shape. Yes, there are vaccinated people who are sick as well, but most are not nearly as sick as the non-vaccinated and are in the hospitals @ much lower rates. genesis273 And there's another spot where you and I disagree. There are people who can't get needed medical procedures done because so many of the non-vaccinated are clogging up the hospitals. So that "choice" is helping to exacerbate medical issues for others. I wonder how many people would still feel that way if the person who couldn't get treatment for a serious medical issue was their spouse, child, parent, neighbor, co-worker or friend, and that person died. IMO, this is a situation where we need to do what is best for the common good, instead of what we think is best for us as individuals. Perhaps you're right if those scenarios had been my experience. But, they haven't been. And I'm sadden for those who had the experience that you outlined. However, what has been my experience is a co-worker whose mom, fully vaccinated, ended up with covid and on a ventilator for a week in a half. She's still hospitalized today. Another experience is a cousin in Missouri, healthy, no underlining medical issues known, 46 years old recieved the vaccine. 4 days later she passed away after blood clots invaded both lungs. People have great reason and experience to believe in the vaccine. Others, well, they too have good reasons not to believe in the vaccine. Again, I'm sadden for those who have had such negative experiences on BOTH sides of the aisle. As far as the lady who is hospitalized, I have to wonder if she would have made it to this point had she not been vaccinated. As for the other lady who passed, I'm sorry to hear that. But it still doesn't change the fact that the hospitals are full of people, the vast majority of which aren't vaccinated and it's just so unnecessary.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Sept 14, 2021 18:49:42 GMT -5
It’s not unnecessary, it’s freedom of choice. That’s the way it should be. You want it then get it, if you don’t then don’t. Pretty simple really. This keeps up and people will need vaccines for this stuff every 6 months and they’re going to get tired of that real quick.
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Post by jjas on Sept 14, 2021 19:00:51 GMT -5
It’s not unnecessary, it’s freedom of choice. That’s the way it should be. You want it then get it, if you don’t then don’t. Pretty simple really. This keeps up and people will need vaccines for this stuff every 6 months and they’re going to get tired of that real quick. As I said before, IMO this is a situation where we (the collective we) need to do what is best for the common good, instead of what we think is best for us as individuals.
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Post by deadeer on Sept 14, 2021 19:10:17 GMT -5
It’s not unnecessary, it’s freedom of choice. That’s the way it should be. You want it then get it, if you don’t then don’t. Pretty simple really. This keeps up and people will need vaccines for this stuff every 6 months and they’re going to get tired of that real quick. That's what I'm afraid of, them keep saying you need a booster regularly. When will it end? I did take both Phizer shots, on recommendation from my doc due to underlying conditions, and my work situation of dealing with truck drivers daily. My wife is more than ticked at me for doing it! But, I trust my doc and he has put me back together and mended me up on many occasions, so I have faith in him. That being said, I am 100% pro choice regarding the shot, and do NOT want any mandates for it. My biggest fear is what if they said kids would need it to go to school. My wife would be telling them where to go and she would be home schooling without even taking a breath to think about it. She is one that is so fed up with all this covid stuff, she is about to explode! I certainly cant blame her, but I am out in the working world, so I see it from a different perspective I guess.
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Post by MuzzleLoader on Sept 14, 2021 19:15:37 GMT -5
It’s a freedom of choice to play Russian roulette with COVID-19. It may get ya, it may not. It May get a family member or it may not. The shot gives you substantial chance of living if contracting Covid-19. Less chance of hospitalization. Odd are overwhelming better you will survive. Long Covid is down right frightening. I’d rather play with higher odds of not dying, put in hospital or being on a vent.
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