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Post by genesis273 on Jul 17, 2021 20:01:46 GMT -5
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Post by greghopper on Jul 17, 2021 20:06:26 GMT -5
Don’t see any fishing reels…
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Post by genesis273 on Jul 17, 2021 20:45:24 GMT -5
Not sure why the link didn't work. It's working for me. Here's some screenshots...
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Post by esshup on Jul 17, 2021 21:17:34 GMT -5
Both of the links for me went to Coleman coolers. Weird.
Anyway.... The Revo-X has more total drag pressure, don't know if you will actually use it though. Take a gallon milk bottle, fill it with water, tie it to the line after you've run the line thru the guides and try to pick it up off the floor. Make durn sure you do this outside and where you can't hit anything with the rod if the line breaks or comes apart. Now try to get a crank on the reel handle with the jug of water off of the ground....... That is 8.3 pounds, maybe 8.5 with the container weight. Now think if you will be using more drag than that. If so, add another jug and fill it half full and see what happens.
The SX has double the line capacity. Will you use it? Maybe, maybe not.
Remember when you are using heavier line with the reel, and heavier drag tension, the rod has to match the drag tension that you are using. Typically drag pressure is set at 20 to 25 percent of the breaking strength of the line, so your rod has to be able to handle that type of pressure or you might snap the rod.
I was taught to set the drag pressure with the line going through the rod guides and it typically takes 2 people to do it right, or one person and you tie off the scale to a fixed object, or use an item of a known weight. The line friction on the guides also comes into effect, so you can't just pull straight back on the reel without loading the rod with the line and weight. (fished saltwater a LOT, from 3# Calico Bass to whatever would bite on the 120# mono using 3#-4# live Mackerel for bait, 2 speed Penn International reel, lever drag system)
The Revo-X has different gear ratios for the different reels too, a reel that takes in more line per handle revolution will be harder to crank with high drag pressure.
The Revo-X has 8 ball bearings vs. the 3 in the SX. The Revo-X will feel smoother when reeling it in.
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Post by esshup on Jul 17, 2021 21:42:41 GMT -5
I went and looked. My setup is a 7' medium heavy St. Croix, rated at 20-50 pound test line, for up to 3 oz. lures. The reel is an Abu Garcia Ambassadeur 5600C. It is spooled with 60# Power Pro Braid, and the max drag tension is either 12# or 15# (I forget).
With conventional fiber drag systems, you really need to back the drag off to 0 after each fishing trip when you store the reel or the drag will become "draggy" and jerky when a fish runs. I am not sure about the magnetic drag system, I would think you could leave the drag set, but double check for sure.
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Post by genesis273 on Jul 17, 2021 21:46:49 GMT -5
Both of the links for me went to Coleman coolers. Weird. Anyway.... The Revo-X has more total drag pressure, don't know if you will actually use it though. Take a gallon milk bottle, fill it with water, tie it to the line after you've run the line thru the guides and try to pick it up off the floor. Make durn sure you do this outside and where you can't hit anything with the rod if the line breaks or comes apart. Now try to get a crank on the reel handle with the jug of water off of the ground....... That is 8.3 pounds, maybe 8.5 with the container weight. Now think if you will be using more drag than that. If so, add another jug and fill it half full and see what happens. The SX has double the line capacity. Will you use it? Maybe, maybe not. Remember when you are using heavier line with the reel, and heavier drag tension, the rod has to match the drag tension that you are using. Typically drag pressure is set at 20 to 25 percent of the breaking strength of the line, so your rod has to be able to handle that type of pressure or you might snap the rod. I was taught to set the drag pressure with the line going through the rod guides and it typically takes 2 people to do it right, or one person and you tie off the scale to a fixed object, or use an item of a known weight. The line friction on the guides also comes into effect, so you can't just pull straight back on the reel without loading the rod with the line and weight. (fished saltwater a LOT, from 3# Calico Bass to whatever would bite on the 120# mono using 3#-4# live Mackerel for bait, 2 speed Penn International reel, lever drag system) The Revo-X has different gear ratios for the different reels too, a reel that takes in more line per handle revolution will be harder to crank with high drag pressure. The Revo-X has 8 ball bearings vs. the 3 in the SX. The Revo-X will feel smoother when reeling it in. I looked at some Penn reels too. Those also look nice. I have a good rod at home now that can handle musky. But, I would really like to get a new reel that can handle it. Again, I'll be using 75 lb braided line. Any suggestions?
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Post by esshup on Jul 18, 2021 1:45:08 GMT -5
I looked at some Penn reels too. Those also look nice. I have a good rod at home now that can handle musky. But, I would really like to get a new reel that can handle it. Again, I'll be using 75 lb braided line. Any suggestions? What reel do you have the 75# braid on now? If you don't have one, what is the most drag that a reel that you own can handle? It's not the breaking strength of the line that you have to worry about, it's the amount of drag that you can effectively use. i.e. there is no point in buying a reel that can generate between 15 and 22 pounds of drag if you can't turn the handle to reel the fish in. Or hold the rod straight to put torque on the handle with that kind of drag pressure. They make rod belts with gimbals in them to keep the rod from torquing sideways when you are reeling in a fish with high drag pressure. It sure makes it a lot easier on your non-reeling hand. OR, if you are using that weight braid just for abrasion resistance, and not using the max. drag pressure for that line, then any reel that is rated for 20# monofilament will handle the 75# braid (there are approximately the same diameter, so you will have the same line capacity of the mono).
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Post by genesis273 on Jul 18, 2021 7:16:48 GMT -5
Right now, I have it on an Abu Garcia Black Maxx that has an 18# max drag.
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Post by genesis273 on Jul 18, 2021 7:17:27 GMT -5
It's a low profile reel.
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Post by genesis273 on Jul 18, 2021 9:21:30 GMT -5
And how, will this be a suitable rod? It's a 7' medium heavy ugly stick. I have a 10' rod but, it seems to be too long for and type of accurate casting for my liking. I think something around 7'-8' would be more manageable.
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Post by esshup on Jul 18, 2021 11:29:15 GMT -5
The 12#-20# line rod will probably be too light. What weight lures is it rated for? You will want something that will have enough backbone to throw the heavier lures that you will be using, and yes, a 10 foot rod is way too long. You have to balance the length of the rod for the fish you will be fighting too. A long rod will allow the fish to kick your butt in no time.
It's all a tradeoff. You can cast longer with a longer rod. BUT reeling in the lures with a longer rod will create more pressure on your hands and will tire you out quicker. Hooking a fish on the longer rod will really amplify the pull of the fish. 7 foot to me seems about right. Look at what the lures weigh that you will be using and get a rod that is rated to throw those weight lures.
take a 10' piece of PVC pipe, pick up a 3 ounce weight tied to the end of it. Now cut that back to 7 feet and do the same. That's the difference. Plus when you are fighting a fish, the fish will have a 3' longer lever to work on you with.
I tuna fished with a rod that was 6' long, and it would take me about 45 minutes to get a 75# tuna to the boat (stand up style fishing). On one of the trips I broke the rod, and a deckhand let me borrow his 4'-6" tuna rod and we put my reel on it. Same sized fish now took me 20 minutes to get to the boat. We were fishing with live bait, so all we had to do was cast it 20 to 30 feet from the boat so it would swim away from the boat.
When I got back I called a guy that I knew that built fishing rods and told him what to build.
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Post by esshup on Jul 18, 2021 11:31:07 GMT -5
Right now, I have it on an Abu Garcia Black Maxx that has an 18# max drag. What is the poundage of the drag setting that you have it set at now?
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Post by genesis273 on Jul 18, 2021 20:44:19 GMT -5
Right now, I have it on an Abu Garcia Black Maxx that has an 18# max drag. What is the poundage of the drag setting that you have it set at now? Honestly, I don't know
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Post by esshup on Jul 19, 2021 0:42:49 GMT -5
What is the poundage of the drag setting that you have it set at now? Honestly, I don't know Easy way to check is use the empty milk jug, keep filling with water until the drag can't pick it up off the floor or get a mechanical scale with a tell tale like this. I have had one for a long time and that is what we'd use to set the drags on all the saltwater rods/reels. Manley Brass Fishing Scale
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Post by genesis273 on Jul 19, 2021 7:06:56 GMT -5
Great idea. Thank you very much
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