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Post by beermaker on Jul 6, 2021 20:11:34 GMT -5
No, "morbidly obese."
One of my better friends recently went to the Dr for a physical. He hadn't been in years and was suspicious of his blood pressure. He's 5'11 and weighed in at 240. The Dr told him that he was morbidly obese and needed to get down to 160! Now, said friend could stand to shed a few and realizes as much. But 80 lbs? No way in any hell. He's not a small person in any way.
When he told the physician that he hadn't seen 160 since middle school and was near 190 as a high school running back and sprinter on the track team, the clown acted like he was lying. While I wasn't there for football program weigh-ins, I can attest to his strength and speed. We went to rival schools and faced off on the football field numerous times. He truly was big, strong, and fast.
My buddy got agitated and all but told the Dr that he was crazy and his BMI chart was a bunch of snake oil. Here we go...The Dr's response was that he doesn't make the standards, the government does.
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Post by scrub-buster on Jul 6, 2021 20:19:55 GMT -5
You have to have ribs showing for a dr. to say you are at the right weight. My cardiologist told me to lose 100 lbs. I went back a few months later down 90. He was shocked. I've gained a few back since then.
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Post by medic22 on Jul 6, 2021 20:33:47 GMT -5
BMI charts are an outdated methodology. Ok for a quick reference but that's about it.
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Post by deadeer on Jul 6, 2021 21:57:59 GMT -5
Lol. Yeah, my doc is realistic. He says all the time he wonders where I keep my weight. Obviously big bones and thick muscles. Unfortunately I have worn them out now. My 10yo is 5'10" and 200# exactly. Heres a pic. Does he look obese? Our doc is perfectly fine with his size considering my wife and me.
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Post by stevein on Jul 6, 2021 23:33:21 GMT -5
All the forms and the interviews all ask repeatably about thoughts of suicide. My medigap insurance wants to come out for a home visit. Told them NO. Last year I got a call from them to do an over the phone physical. She asked if I had questions. I told her yes because I was due for my anual Prostrate exam. How was that going to work.
What iritates me the most is when you go into the ER or Clinics. Now my old insurance HMO we had to go to the Luthern Group. I would see the same forms at each different facility. Why do I have to fill out the same forms? But what really gets me is when you go to admitting. They take a brief summary then send you to a room. The nurse comes in with a clipboard with more forms. You give her details she writes them down with your vitals. Then the Doctor comes in and asks the exact same questions.
I take a Low Dose Asprin every day along with my blood pressure pill. I asked my Doctor about the reccomendations that the AMA wanted it stopped. My Doctor said that there were some people taking it on an empty stomach and getting ulcers. I get up in the morning, take my pills and go have breakfast. No problems.
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Post by deadeer on Jul 6, 2021 23:48:48 GMT -5
I try not to worry anymore. Whatever happens, happens. My grandparents both lived till mid 90's. Yet my dad just died of brain cancer at 70. Tough luck. He lived a great life.
My wifes grandpa died at 85ish, grandma still alive nearing 90. Yet wifes dad died of colon cancer at 53. When your time comes, it comes.
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Post by esshup on Jul 7, 2021 2:54:52 GMT -5
All the forms and the interviews all ask repeatably about thoughts of suicide. My medigap insurance wants to come out for a home visit. Told them NO. Last year I got a call from them to do an over the phone physical. She asked if I had questions. I told her yes because I was due for my anual Prostrate exam. How was that going to work. Well, you take the phone, turn the camera on and put it......... LOLWhat iritates me the most is when you go into the ER or Clinics. Now my old insurance HMO we had to go to the Luthern Group. I would see the same forms at each different facility. Why do I have to fill out the same forms? But what really gets me is when you go to admitting. They take a brief summary then send you to a room. The nurse comes in with a clipboard with more forms. You give her details she writes them down with your vitals. Then the Doctor comes in and asks the exact same questions. Yep, when I'd go with Mom to the Dr. they'd ask what meds she was taking. I finally got tired one day and told the nurse, why don't you just look at the chart and see what you prescribed, that is the list. She didn't like that answer. I take a Low Dose Asprin every day along with my blood pressure pill. I asked my Doctor about the reccomendations that the AMA wanted it stopped. My Doctor said that there were some people taking it on an empty stomach and getting ulcers. I get up in the morning, take my pills and go have breakfast. No problems. When I worked at Utilimaster they'd have an annual health screening. It was on the 2nd floor of the HR building, they'd have us come in groups of 3-5, we'd trudge up the stairs then they'd sit us down in the chair and immediately take our BP. "You have high BP". Well, yeah, why don't you wait a few minutes and take it again. I got a dirty look. They could charge the Co more for insurance if the people all had something or other wrong with them. Another thing that really bugged me is them asking on the form "Do you have guns in the house?" I'd make a circle, put an "X" in it and write after it "None of your business." Needless to say THAT didn't go over too well either.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 7, 2021 6:41:36 GMT -5
All the forms and the interviews all ask repeatably about thoughts of suicide. My medigap insurance wants to come out for a home visit. Told them NO. Last year I got a call from them to do an over the phone physical. She asked if I had questions. I told her yes because I was due for my anual Prostrate exam. How was that going to work. Well, you take the phone, turn the camera on and put it......... LOLWhat iritates me the most is when you go into the ER or Clinics. Now my old insurance HMO we had to go to the Luthern Group. I would see the same forms at each different facility. Why do I have to fill out the same forms? But what really gets me is when you go to admitting. They take a brief summary then send you to a room. The nurse comes in with a clipboard with more forms. You give her details she writes them down with your vitals. Then the Doctor comes in and asks the exact same questions. Yep, when I'd go with Mom to the Dr. they'd ask what meds she was taking. I finally got tired one day and told the nurse, why don't you just look at the chart and see what you prescribed, that is the list. She didn't like that answer. I take a Low Dose Asprin every day along with my blood pressure pill. I asked my Doctor about the reccomendations that the AMA wanted it stopped. My Doctor said that there were some people taking it on an empty stomach and getting ulcers. I get up in the morning, take my pills and go have breakfast. No problems. When I worked at Utilimaster they'd have an annual health screening. It was on the 2nd floor of the HR building, they'd have us come in groups of 3-5, we'd trudge up the stairs then they'd sit us down in the chair and immediately take our BP. "You have high BP". Well, yeah, why don't you wait a few minutes and take it again. I got a dirty look. They could charge the Co more for insurance if the people all had something or other wrong with them. Another thing that really bugged me is them asking on the form "Do you have guns in the house?" I'd make a circle, put an "X" in it and write after it "None of your business." Needless to say THAT didn't go over too well either. They stopped asking my kids about guns when at about 8yo my daughter asked if they meant in general or just hers.
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Post by parrothead on Jul 7, 2021 6:56:56 GMT -5
I am 6'5" and 224. I have 7.1 percent body fat. I am am considered overweight and boarder line obese.
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Post by sculver7 on Jul 7, 2021 7:02:33 GMT -5
A few years ago, my dr told me the same thing. I am 6' and 215 lbs with legs like tree trunks andnot much gut at all. If the last year has taught us anything, it's that dr's can be entirely wrong in what they say, recommend, and prescribe.
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Post by Sasquatch on Jul 7, 2021 7:21:29 GMT -5
BMI is a quick reference that any doctor with a brain should know has it's limitations.
Things like BMI measurements are what makes me terrified of doctors. Doc should trust his or her eyes; Do you have a gut? love handles? A titanic arse? Yet some of them just go by charts, no matter what.
I remember talk back in the day that Evander Holyfield was "obese" when he fought Tyson.
Full disclosure: If I get any fatter Goodyear will fly me over the super bowl.
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Post by duff on Jul 7, 2021 7:54:33 GMT -5
When I worked at Utilimaster they'd have an annual health screening. It was on the 2nd floor of the HR building, they'd have us come in groups of 3-5, we'd trudge up the stairs then they'd sit us down in the chair and immediately take our BP. "You have high BP". Well, yeah, why don't you wait a few minutes and take it again. I got a dirty look. They could charge the Co more for insurance if the people all had something or other wrong with them. Another thing that really bugged me is them asking on the form "Do you have guns in the house?" I'd make a circle, put an "X" in it and write after it "None of your business." Needless to say THAT didn't go over too well either. They stopped asking my kids about guns when at about 8yo my daughter asked if they meant in general or just hers. I had similar result but had my boy in for a "well baby" checkup probably 4 or 5 and the doc was asking him questions that I would have to help answer. When the doc asked if he knew of anything scary in his home like guns? Gattett looked at me like "what should I say?" I answered that yes we have guns but those are tonprotect against the scary things like the neighbors pit bull, another on the registered sea offender and yet another recent discovery that a meth dealer was arrested 1.5 miles away last month. What is the point of this question?
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Post by greyhair on Jul 7, 2021 10:16:02 GMT -5
Obesity is a problem in this country. I know I could stand to lose 30 or more. Never mind all the diets and fads, and weird stuff. My doctors old-fashioned advice - eat a balanced diet with a good helping of veggies, avoid a lot of white sugar, get more exercise, and drink lots of water.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 7, 2021 10:23:08 GMT -5
Obesity is a problem in this country. I know I could stand to lose 30 or more. Never mind all the diets and fads, and weird stuff. My doctors old-fashioned advice - eat a balanced diet with a good helping of veggies, avoid a lot of white sugar, get more exercise, and drink lots of water. Sugar avoidance is nearly impossible these days since ce sugar is added to almost everything. You know, something had to be added to help with taste when the government created their war on fat. About the easiest way to eat a health diet is to go back about 50+ years where we grow our own food supply.
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Post by greyhair on Jul 7, 2021 10:50:24 GMT -5
Grew our own food supply and got exercise while doing it!
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Post by greyhair on Jul 7, 2021 10:54:16 GMT -5
You are right. Sugar is hard to avoid, but we try to an extent.
I remember when I was a kid, a lot of the grow men i knew were tough, in better shape than me. They spent more time being active and less time doing what I am doing right now! Hah!
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Post by deadeer on Jul 7, 2021 10:58:52 GMT -5
I try not to worry anymore. Whatever happens, happens. My grandparents both lived till mid 90's. Yet my dad just died of brain cancer at 70. Tough luck. He lived a great life. My wifes grandpa died at 85ish, grandma still alive nearing 90. Yet wifes dad died of colon cancer at 53. When your time comes, it comes. To add to the tragedy here, cancer was never in either of our families past history!
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Post by medic22 on Jul 7, 2021 11:35:03 GMT -5
It's really not hard to avoid sugar. At my February appointment I weighed 184# at 5'7", my cholesterol was high, my fasting blood sugar was 105, and my BP was high.
I immediately cut out processed and fast food. Meat and veggies diet and snacked on fruit, avoided anything in a box that had added sugars.
In June my BP was fine, my cholesterol had improved significantly, my sugar was good, and I weighed 166#.
Yeah I worked out some but the big improvement was cutting out sodas and junk. It's not rocket science.
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Post by welder on Jul 7, 2021 20:56:47 GMT -5
I am 6'5" and 224. I have 7.1 percent body fat. I am am considered overweight and boarder line obese. Keep in mind, I have never seen you, but I would think 6'5" and 224 would be borderline skinny? No offense intended, just my opinion.
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Post by 36fan on Jul 18, 2021 23:18:11 GMT -5
I am 6'5" and 224. I have 7.1 percent body fat. I am am considered overweight and boarder line obese. Keep in mind, I have never seen you, but I would think 6'5" and 224 would be borderline skinny? No offense intended, just my opinion. 6'5", 224lb is 26.6 BMI. BMI of 30 is obese, which would be 253 lbs. I am 5'6", 165lbs (also 26.6 BMI) and considered overweight. My cardiologist says I'm perfect, but I would like to drop about 10lbs for my own ego (it would take 11lbs to get out of overweight category). With a desk job that weight is hard to sustain, even with a good diet and regular exercise. I have cardiologist because I have sh!tty genes and my cholesterol is always borderline, regardless of what I do. When I took the stress test the techs said it had been a long time since they had anyone go as long as I did before I hit my calculated maximum heart rate, then I went a couple of more levels after that. In May I offered to help get some National Guard recruits ready for boot camp. I embarrassed a 18 yr old stud so bad on a 2 mile run that ended with a long upward grade, that he quit and never came back. When he showed up I thought, "what have I got myself into!" He had the 6 pack, pecks, and biceps ... but had neglected the lower body. Long story short, BMI was designed for people without muscle mass. Michael Jordon was BMI obese at the peak of his career. If you are honest with yourself you can look in the mirror and know if you are overweight. ...and most are in today's society.
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