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Post by esshup on Feb 24, 2021 13:24:46 GMT -5
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Post by treetop on Feb 24, 2021 16:05:35 GMT -5
That is a stupid law if you point a gun at me how do I know it doesn’t work. A gun is a gun when your pointing It or stealing stuff.
I don’t know about a car that can’t run but if your keys are in your possession I’ve been told you are in control of that car and can be charged
I do know a guy that was drunk pulled into a parking lot to sleep it off I don’t know it for a fact I wasn’t there but he said the car was not running had the seat laying back and he was sleeping but the keys were in the Ignition either the cops seen him or someone called him in and he got DUI
Granted he drove but he realized he could not drive did the right thing and still got busted seems to me they could of cut him some slack and gave him public intoxication or something a bit less than a dui
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Post by firstwd on Feb 24, 2021 16:50:44 GMT -5
So they are charging them with tampering with evidence that they had made inoperable and have proof they used as a court prop in the law practice?
What?
Yes, stupid that the gun had to be operable. Is that same law in effect if a cop shoots someone pointing a gun at them?
To me, this entire mess shouldn't be going through the courts. The video I saw showed the "protesters" tear down the gate with the private property sign on it and shows several of them approaching the house on the driveway and yard. Add in the threats some were yelling at them and either everyone should go home with a lesson learned or a whole bunch should be facing charges.
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Post by esshup on Feb 24, 2021 21:09:09 GMT -5
I am leaning the opposite way. Prosecute the protesters, not the homeowners. If a group of people tore down my fence, you damn right I'd be out there with a gun and telling them that if they come any closer they'd be shot because I was in fear of my life. Multiple people against one? Many multiple people against 2?
I'd love to see what would have happened if the same crowd of protesters would have done the same to the prosecutors house. Sort of like what happened at the Capitol. No, not a threat at all until they come after them, then it's a different story.
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Post by genesis273 on Feb 25, 2021 9:44:42 GMT -5
I agree. Storm my property and I will defend it. I think the whole thing is rubbish.
But, it's not my duty to ensure a firearm that is pointed at me is operational first. If it is deemed inoperable after the fact well, so be it. Play a stupid game, get a stupid prize.
As far as the DUI, the question will become when did the battery get removed? Had it been removed for a long time or did drunk billy take it out after he had driven the car? There was a time when taking some to jail on a public intox was easier than doing the DUI (based on the scenerio you gave). However, the public intoxication laws have changed and that's no longer an option.
The fact of the matter is, if we in law enforcement give guys breaks, take them home and they leave in another vehicle, wreck and hurt someone then it all comes back on law enforcement. Then we're crucified for not doing our job. Get sued, lose everything. All because we were trying to help a guy out. On the other side of the coin, take a guy to jail for DUI then the LEO are jerks with nothing better to do than destroy people's lives. It can be lose/lose situation.
At the end of the day, the DUI arrestee that made the poor decision to drive, realized his error and pulled off the roadway may deserve some credit. And that credit can be given when the officer reflects it in his report or at sentencing. Perhaps he'll just get a reckless driving conviction and not the DUI. Maybe he'll still get to keep his license. I see this quite often actually.
That being said, in my nearly 20 years of law enforcement, I have done far too many death notifications to families that have lost a person killed by a drunk driver. I've held a 16 year kid while he took his last breaths. I've had to go to two separate households on the same Thanksgiving day and interrupted their family celebrations and deliver devastating news that their loved one won't be joining them. Just a couple examples of my experience and more than justifiable reasons why I have a zero tolerance policy for DUI's.
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Post by bartiks on Feb 25, 2021 9:53:09 GMT -5
A friend of mine was arrested after a night of drinking, he was in the alley behind his house passed out in the passenger seat with the car off and the keys in the ignition. They got him for DWI, I thought it was crap but apparently you can be charged for that if you are the only occupant in the car and the keys are in the ignition. As for how he got home that's a different story.
As for you genesis, my thanks. Gentlemen like you in your profession don't get paid enough for doing what you do for keeping the rest of us safe.
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Post by stevein on Feb 25, 2021 11:00:29 GMT -5
I don't know why this has not been dismissed. Arrests all over the country related to the riots have been dropped. The only crime I see is bad gun handling. No one got hurt, no shots were fired just move on. I don't see political gain for the prosecutor either. Make them take a firearms safety course and drop all charges. They are just lucky someone among the rioters/trespassers did not start shooting.
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Post by treetop on Feb 26, 2021 13:58:19 GMT -5
A friend of mine was arrested after a night of drinking, he was in the alley behind his house passed out in the passenger seat with the car off and the keys in the ignition. They got him for DWI, I thought it was crap but apparently you can be charged for that if you are the only occupant in the car and the keys are in the ignition. As for how he got home that's a different story. As for you genesis, my thanks. Gentlemen like you in your profession don't get paid enough for doing what you do for keeping the rest of us safe. I did not believe it either I’m not sticking up for the guy he did drive drunk we all have made bad decisions and paid for them it just seems harsh but I see the genesis side of it also I could never be a cop or a emt Back in my younger days I was coming back home from running a no heat call it was around 3 AM when I came upon a car that had went off the road and had rolled from the looks of it many times it was two young kid’s neither one was alive something I hope I never see again As far as the gun working not working I don’t care cops have seconds at best to make a decision on it and they should never have a law like that
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