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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 4, 2021 6:28:42 GMT -5
Yep. I’ll give it today and then send them an email.
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Post by dbd870 on Feb 4, 2021 12:51:44 GMT -5
Did it. Told them blind ME numbers were not a good way to select a round on every one of them
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Post by stevein on Feb 4, 2021 14:28:58 GMT -5
I finished mine today. I scratched my head over some of the questions. Why does it matter whether a doe is bred or not when she is killed? Shoot a doe in October or January she still is not going to produce any fawns. If it matters that much maybe they should be let pass until they are 5 years or more old. Their hang up on foot pounds sounds like they want a simple way to allow calibers. Are they going to carry chronos with them and plug the numbers into a balistic calculater? I told them I use this chart.
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Post by lawrencecountyhunter on Feb 4, 2021 17:17:49 GMT -5
Maybe I'm being cynical, but it seemed like a few of the questions were designed to expose the lack of knowledge or consensus on topics such as caliber restrictions and doe management. It's easier to dismiss criticism if you can demonstrate the public's ignorance through these surveys.
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Post by firstwd on Feb 4, 2021 17:35:46 GMT -5
Maybe I'm being cynical, but it seemed like a few of the questions were designed to expose the lack of knowledge or consensus on topics such as caliber restrictions and doe management. It's easier to dismiss criticism if you can demonstrate the public's ignorance through these surveys. Trust me, if you ever read the full text of some of the public input over the past several years, surveys like this are not needed to see the general ignorance of the public.
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Post by whitetaildave24 on Feb 4, 2021 17:50:12 GMT -5
I never did receive an email for the survey. If anyone else didn’t receive a survey, a simple email to deersurvey@dnr.in.gov with your customer id should get one to you fairly quickly.
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Post by beermaker on Feb 5, 2021 17:27:47 GMT -5
I received the email today and just completed the survey. A bit long-winded for my taste.
How may of us are truly qualified to judge what caliber is or is not sufficient to kill a deer at 100 yards based on foot pounds of energy? I'm not.
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Post by esshup on Feb 5, 2021 22:08:44 GMT -5
I received the email today and just completed the survey. A bit long-winded for my taste. How may of us are truly qualified to judge what caliber is or is not sufficient to kill a deer at 100 yards based on foot pounds of energy? I'm not. They are also asking us to do that based of the FPE at the muzzle, not at 100 yds.
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Post by Woody Williams on Feb 6, 2021 13:34:51 GMT -5
Just finished mine..
I don't know nothing for foot pounds for rifles, shotguns or pistols. I do know that what I use will kill them dead at 100+ yards every time. Made a note that I did not think the .410 was a hundred yard deer killing shotgun. I also complimented them on the job they are doing..
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Post by Sasquatch on Feb 11, 2021 15:42:44 GMT -5
Finally did mine. The ballistic questions struck me as odd, as most of us don't go around with ballistic tables in our heads. Seems like a good way to get bad data. Glad they are asking questions I guess.
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 11, 2021 15:54:03 GMT -5
It shouldn't matter what your using handgun ,rifle, shotgun, they all have to have a minimum 1000fpe to take down a deer. Elk they say is 1500fpe minimum.
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Post by bill9068 on Feb 11, 2021 15:57:58 GMT -5
Kinda stumped me also with the ballistic questions. All I know is you pull the trigger and it goes boom.
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Post by 36fan on Feb 22, 2021 18:06:34 GMT -5
Just finished mine.. I don't know nothing for foot pounds for rifles, shotguns or pistols. I do know that what I use will kill them dead at 100+ yards every time. Made a note that I did not think the .410 was a hundred yard deer killing shotgun. I also complimented them on the job they are doing.. I'm glad to know that I wasn't the only one that gave DNR some love in the survey!
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Post by butlerj on Jul 8, 2021 12:05:29 GMT -5
Anyone know if they are doing the fridge magnet for the harvest and survey completion this year? Looking to add magnet number 4 to the fridge! Still don't know what to do with the metal tag I got last year either any ideas??
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Post by bullseye69 on Jul 8, 2021 12:23:47 GMT -5
Anyone know if they are doing the fridge magnet for the harvest and survey completion this year? Looking to add magnet number 4 to the fridge! Still don't know what to do with the metal tag I got last year either any ideas?? Glue it to a magnet
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Post by titanium700 on Jul 9, 2021 9:48:10 GMT -5
I read all the posts on this thread and I have one takeaway that stands out to me the most. Ballistics I’m quite knowledgeable about, I’d say you would call me a rifle looney. Anyways the question about how many ft lbs is ethical on taking game actually has little merit. Bullet performance is mostly based on bullet construction, velocity and then weight. Example, Now you can take a .22/250 and fire a full metal jacket bullet in 55 grains at 3,100 fps velocity and almost 1,200 fpe, yeah it’s got that magic “1,000 fpe” they talk about, but the bullet construction is all wrong. Now take a .223 Rem firing a Barnes 53 grain tsx at let’s say a measily 3,000 fps and it has a hair less than 1,000 fpe and less than 900 fpe at 100 yds. This combination will kill a deer more consistent and faster then the 22/250 at any range at any time. And most people know a 22/250 has killed plenty of deer and yes even elk. So I cannot agree with the assessment of the deciding factor as FPE for the choice in what cartridge to make legal for use. I’ve hunted KY and always took my .223 using the above load of a Barnes 53 grain tsx and have never lost a deer, most died on the spot. I’d be happy if Indiana allowed .223’s but in the meantime I will use my custom .243AI or my wife’s 6x45 which has NEVER lost a deer yet. Or maybe even my 358 WSSM…….how about that? Lol
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Post by titanium700 on Jul 9, 2021 10:29:11 GMT -5
And if fpe kills deer, we’d better throw archery equipment out the door…….
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Post by medic22 on Jul 9, 2021 14:15:41 GMT -5
Anyone know if they are doing the fridge magnet for the harvest and survey completion this year? Looking to add magnet number 4 to the fridge! Still don't know what to do with the metal tag I got last year either any ideas?? I put my metal Tag on my brand new hunting pack I bought for 2020. I used the pack 3 times and then cut the tag off and sold it lol
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Post by elmo on Jul 9, 2021 17:52:30 GMT -5
I put mine on the deer that I had mounted. Just hanging on a brow tine.
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Post by esshup on Jul 9, 2021 21:19:22 GMT -5
I read all the posts on this thread and I have one takeaway that stands out to me the most. Ballistics I’m quite knowledgeable about, I’d say you would call me a rifle looney. Anyways the question about how many ft lbs is ethical on taking game actually has little merit. Bullet performance is mostly based on bullet construction, velocity and then weight. Example, Now you can take a .22/250 and fire a full metal jacket bullet in 55 grains at 3,100 fps velocity and almost 1,200 fpe, yeah it’s got that magic “1,000 fpe” they talk about, but the bullet construction is all wrong. Now take a .223 Rem firing a Barnes 53 grain tsx at let’s say a measily 3,000 fps and it has a hair less than 1,000 fpe and less than 900 fpe at 100 yds. This combination will kill a deer more consistent and faster then the 22/250 at any range at any time. And most people know a 22/250 has killed plenty of deer and yes even elk. So I cannot agree with the assessment of the deciding factor as FPE for the choice in what cartridge to make legal for use. I’ve hunted KY and always took my .223 using the above load of a Barnes 53 grain tsx and have never lost a deer, most died on the spot. I’d be happy if Indiana allowed .223’s but in the meantime I will use my custom .243AI or my wife’s 6x45 which has NEVER lost a deer yet. Or maybe even my 358 WSSM…….how about that? Lol Don't forget about impact velocity. Muzzle velocity doesn't mean squat unless you stick the barrel in the deer's ear. My typical Indiana rifle now (private ground) is my .243 pushing a Barnes 85g TSX at 3250+ fps. BUT this year I will be trying a .308, not sure what bullet I will be using, I'm aiming for a MV around 1050 fps...... I have a few different bullets to develop load data for, and I'd love to try the Hornady 190g Sub-X bullet if I can ever find any. The gun will tell me what it likes.
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