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Post by subzero350 on Feb 2, 2021 18:45:29 GMT -5
I just took it. Besides the usual questions about how many deer I saw and took during the recent hunting season, it seems as though they are putting feelers out asking what hunters consider to be "acceptible" hunting firearm calibers for deer. Some of the questions were very specific: for example, they asked what I considered to be the minimum muzzle energy of a projectile I would consider "good" take a heart or lung shot at deer out to 100 yards. This same question was asked for rifles, shotguns, pistols, and muzzleloaders.
I admit I had to do some research on the subject because, obviously, not all projectiles have the same ballistic coefficient. The baseline I used was the .357 Magnum since I consider it to be the weakest cartridge I would feel comfortable using to take deer at 100 yards.
Interestingly enough, during my research I discovered Brenneke makes a 28 ga shotgun slug that has some pretty impressive 100 yard energy ratings. On the other side of that coin, some .410 slugs match the muzzle energy of the .357 magnum, but because of their horrible BC, they are really weak at 100 yards.
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Post by harmonist34 on Feb 2, 2021 18:49:08 GMT -5
Yah - I skipped those questions because I'm too ignorant to have an opinion!
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Post by greghopper on Feb 2, 2021 19:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 2, 2021 19:23:30 GMT -5
Did mine.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 2, 2021 19:23:52 GMT -5
Did mine.
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 2, 2021 19:27:01 GMT -5
Ya I did mine today as well.
A little long winded.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 2, 2021 19:28:56 GMT -5
One survey only please 😊 |
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 2, 2021 19:31:55 GMT -5
I just took it. Besides the usual questions about how many deer I saw and took during the recent hunting season, it seems as though they are putting feelers out asking what hunters consider to be "acceptible" hunting firearm calibers for deer. Some of the questions were very specific: for example, they asked what I considered to be the minimum muzzle energy of a projectile I would consider "good" take a heart or lung shot at deer out to 100 yards. This same question was asked for rifles, shotguns, pistols, and muzzleloaders. I admit I had to do some research on the subject because, obviously, not all projectiles have the same ballistic coefficient. The baseline I used was the .357 Magnum since I consider it to be the weakest cartridge I would feel comfortable using to take deer at 100 yards. Interestingly enough, during my research I discovered Brenneke makes a 28 ga shotgun slug that has some pretty impressive 100 yard energy ratings. On the other side of that coin, some .410 slugs match the muzzle energy of the .357 magnum, but because of their horrible BC, they are really weak at 100 yards.The BC is more important past ,imo, 100 yards. As long as it's going fast enough with the correct mass you will have the correct ft-lbs to take down the animal humanely. |
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 2, 2021 19:34:06 GMT -5
They lumped pcc rifles with HP rifles and single shot pistols with repeating pistols. Both are totally different in min size bullets to use.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 2, 2021 19:37:38 GMT -5
They lumped pcc rifles with HP rifles and single shot pistols with repeating pistols. Both are totally different in min size bullets to use. And how does that impact the survey? |
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 2, 2021 19:39:00 GMT -5
They lumped pcc rifles with HP rifles and single shot pistols with repeating pistols. Both are totally different in min size bullets to use. And how does that impact the survey? Well for HP rifles I said 243 but PCC rifle 357. Single shot pistols 243. Revolvers I said 44. |
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 2, 2021 19:47:31 GMT -5
I had to research the min ft-lbs to take a white tail down at a 100 yards. They say 1000 ft-lbs. I said 1100 which was a guess.
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Post by greghopper on Feb 2, 2021 19:52:26 GMT -5
I went with a 1000 for every answer I did....personally I believe they over thought what many may know IMO
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 2, 2021 19:54:06 GMT -5
I went with a 1000 for every answer I did....personally I believe they over thought what many may know IMO I did the same. Why would the weapon, apart from archery, make a difference on min ft-lbs. I thought it kind of stupid. |
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 2, 2021 20:01:53 GMT -5
One survey only please 😊 Lol... Not sure how that happened.. I'll circle back to you... Lol |
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Post by firstwd on Feb 2, 2021 20:24:00 GMT -5
Haven't gotten my email yet, but im guessing the minimum caliber is an effort to gain public opinion on the use of 223 for deer. I know (not personal experience, grew up with a couple guys) a 22-250 will kill deer just as dead, quite quickly, and at some decent ranges daylight or dark.
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 2, 2021 20:25:14 GMT -5
Haven't gotten my email yet, but im guessing the minimum caliber is an effort to gain public opinion on the use of 223 for deer. I know (not personal experience, grew up with a couple guys) a 22-250 will kill deer just as dead, quite quickly, and at some decent ranges daylight or dark. Iirc IL allows 22-250 |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 2, 2021 20:25:19 GMT -5
I went with a 1000 for every answer I did....personally I believe they over thought what many may know IMO I did the same. Why would the weapon, apart from archery, make a difference on min ft-lbs. I thought it kind of stupid. Probably air rifles would be my guess! |
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Post by bullseye69 on Feb 2, 2021 20:28:18 GMT -5
I did the same. Why would the weapon, apart from archery, make a difference on min ft-lbs. I thought it kind of stupid. Probably air rifles would be my guess! Probably but a 100yards would be to far for a air rifle. |
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Post by greghopper on Feb 2, 2021 20:36:45 GMT -5
Probably air rifles would be my guess! Probably but a 100yards would be to far for a air rifle. With a good scope and practice I say most could hit the important spot IMO |
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