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Post by stevein on Jan 15, 2021 9:48:35 GMT -5
Given Trumps recent success in the courts and the Democrats desire to punish him why doesn't he resign? Make a deal with Pence to pardon him like Nixon did with Ford and move on.
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Post by jjas on Jan 15, 2021 10:16:23 GMT -5
My guess is it's likely because of two things...
1. Pride. 2. I read an article yesterday where Trump had supposedly said that he would resign but he doesn't figure Pence would pardon him so what's the point...
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Post by medic22 on Jan 15, 2021 10:18:43 GMT -5
That's that not what narcissits do.
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Post by stevein on Jan 15, 2021 11:12:01 GMT -5
My guess is it's likely because of two things... 1. Pride. 2. I read an article yesterday where Trump had supposedly said that he would resign but he doesn't figure Pence would pardon him so what's the point... Whenever I think of former bosses that made my life miserable I look at Pence. I would not pardon him either.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jan 15, 2021 14:19:09 GMT -5
Hmmm...I don't know and won't pretend to. But I do keep recalling a suspicion I had during the '16 primaries that he was really a liberal "plant" that was acting like a serious candidate with some obvious baggage and an intent to disrupt the Republican primary process, and possibly torpedo a couple of the most promising competitors from the fall race.
When his strategy found the weakness in the primary process that made it possible for him to actually win, he seemed to play it straight until the nomination was his, then began doing and saying and tweeting a curious mixture of things that a fella that was of a suspicious nature might interpret as playing to our divisions rather than to any possible compromises and whipping up as much polarization as possible. He did surprisingly well, given his personal history and mannerisms...well, maybe not all that surprising since the alternative to him was Hillary.
After actually winning, he seemed to do a lot of the things he had promised, but in retrospect, many of his accomplishments were things that could be overturned with the next election as quickly as they had been with the last one. Meanwhile. his behavior in many areas kept a lot of saying "What the .... was he thinking?".
And his repeated disrespect of some of our actual heroes who deserved better, continued to scrape away at the thin gold plating of his image. Of course we were again left with a choice of voting for him again or voting for Sleepy Joe, and his baggage, and the radical left who appear to be running the Dems from the background while propping him up....or for the alternatives of the Libertarian Party or simply not voting.
Now these last few days' behavior that seem pretty much unexplainable, look a little more explainable if viewed from the prospect that he was a shill from the start, and his parting shot is to assure that there won't be another Republican presidential prospect for a generation or so, possibly even ever. The GOP could follow their predecessors, the Whigs, into history.
That may all be complete speculation on my part. However, I can't seem to imagine his doing as effective a job of it by accident. He does have experience at playing a dictatorial chief executive, and a pre-existing friendship with Slick Willie.
I really hope the GOP does some serious reconsideration of their primary procedures to reduce the possibility of another triumph by another populist manipulator in the future, for all our sakes. We could have done better in 2016 with some tweaks to the system. My personal pick would have been Rand Paul, but I think the best candidate for the party's chance to win in the fall without the trauma and drama would have been Paul Ryan. Erudite, good speaker, with experience in winning in a bi-partisan atmosphere. And a fellow bowhunter and actual family man.
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Post by greghopper on Jan 15, 2021 15:05:02 GMT -5
That's that not what narcissits do. Exactly.... That’s what quitters and weak minded do .... he is none of them!
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Post by scrub-buster on Jan 15, 2021 16:09:19 GMT -5
I don't get too involved in politics. I don't know too much about what is going on with the impeachment. If I was Trump, as soon as I was out of office I would turn on all the politicians and release a book with all the dirt he knows about them. All the secret presidential stuff that he's not supposed to talk about. Name names, reveal government cover ups, the truth about aliens and Kennedy, release everything. I'm not that old but I've never seen a president treated with such disrespect. He could probably flip the entire system on end if he wanted to get revenge.
I work at a company that is ran by elected officials. It is a very political workplace. I was a member of management for 14 years. I could see how the higher up you were the more secrets and behind the scenes stuff went on. I'm sure the government is the same way but 100x worse. He has to know some dirt on a lot of people. I bet a book like that would sell a lot of copies. I'd buy a copy.
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Post by esshup on Jan 15, 2021 18:56:16 GMT -5
I don't get too involved in politics. I don't know too much about what is going on with the impeachment. If I was Trump, as soon as I was out of office I would turn on all the politicians and release a book with all the dirt he knows about them. All the secret presidential stuff that he's not supposed to talk about. Name names, reveal government cover ups, the truth about aliens and Kennedy, release everything. I'm not that old but I've never seen a president treated with such disrespect. He could probably flip the entire system on end if he wanted to get revenge. I work at a company that is ran by elected officials. It is a very political workplace. I was a member of management for 14 years. I could see how the higher up you were the more secrets and behind the scenes stuff went on. I'm sure the government is the same way but 100x worse. He has to know some dirt on a lot of people. I bet a book like that would sell a lot of copies. I'd buy a copy. I'd buy more than one copy.
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Post by esshup on Jan 15, 2021 18:57:08 GMT -5
Hmmm...I don't know and won't pretend to. But I do keep recalling a suspicion I had during the '16 primaries that he was really a liberal "plant" that was acting like a serious candidate with some obvious baggage and an intent to disrupt the Republican primary process, and possibly torpedo a couple of the most promising competitors from the fall race. When his strategy found the weakness in the primary process that made it possible for him to actually win, he seemed to play it straight until the nomination was his, then began doing and saying and tweeting a curious mixture of things that a fella that was of a suspicious nature might interpret as playing to our divisions rather than to any possible compromises and whipping up as much polarization as possible. He did surprisingly well, given his personal history and mannerisms...well, maybe not all that surprising since the alternative to him was Hillary. After actually winning, he seemed to do a lot of the things he had promised, but in retrospect, many of his accomplishments were things that could be overturned with the next election as quickly as they had been with the last one. Meanwhile. his behavior in many areas kept a lot of saying "What the .... was he thinking?". And his repeated disrespect of some of our actual heroes who deserved better, continued to scrape away at the thin gold plating of his image. Of course we were again left with a choice of voting for him again or voting for Sleepy Joe, and his baggage, and the radical left who appear to be running the Dems from the background while propping him up....or for the alternatives of the Libertarian Party or simply not voting. Now these last few days' behavior that seem pretty much unexplainable, look a little more explainable if viewed from the prospect that he was a shill from the start, and his parting shot is to assure that there won't be another Republican presidential prospect for a generation or so, possibly even ever. The GOP could follow their predecessors, the Whigs, into history. That may all be complete speculation on my part. However, I can't seem to imagine his doing as effective a job of it by accident. He does have experience at playing a dictatorial chief executive, and a pre-existing friendship with Slick Willie. I really hope the GOP does some serious reconsideration of their primary procedures to reduce the possibility of another triumph by another populist manipulator in the future, for all our sakes. We could have done better in 2016 with some tweaks to the system. My personal pick would have been Rand Paul, but I think the best candidate for the party's chance to win in the fall without the trauma and drama would have been Paul Ryan. Erudite, good speaker, with experience in winning in a bi-partisan atmosphere. And a fellow bowhunter and actual family man. Has there ever been a time when the Republican party had the Presidency, the House and the Senate?
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Post by duff on Jan 15, 2021 19:13:51 GMT -5
Hmmm...I don't know and won't pretend to. But I do keep recalling a suspicion I had during the '16 primaries that he was really a liberal "plant" that was acting like a serious candidate with some obvious baggage and an intent to disrupt the Republican primary process, and possibly torpedo a couple of the most promising competitors from the fall race. When his strategy found the weakness in the primary process that made it possible for him to actually win, he seemed to play it straight until the nomination was his, then began doing and saying and tweeting a curious mixture of things that a fella that was of a suspicious nature might interpret as playing to our divisions rather than to any possible compromises and whipping up as much polarization as possible. He did surprisingly well, given his personal history and mannerisms...well, maybe not all that surprising since the alternative to him was Hillary. After actually winning, he seemed to do a lot of the things he had promised, but in retrospect, many of his accomplishments were things that could be overturned with the next election as quickly as they had been with the last one. Meanwhile. his behavior in many areas kept a lot of saying "What the .... was he thinking?". And his repeated disrespect of some of our actual heroes who deserved better, continued to scrape away at the thin gold plating of his image. Of course we were again left with a choice of voting for him again or voting for Sleepy Joe, and his baggage, and the radical left who appear to be running the Dems from the background while propping him up....or for the alternatives of the Libertarian Party or simply not voting. Now these last few days' behavior that seem pretty much unexplainable, look a little more explainable if viewed from the prospect that he was a shill from the start, and his parting shot is to assure that there won't be another Republican presidential prospect for a generation or so, possibly even ever. The GOP could follow their predecessors, the Whigs, into history. That may all be complete speculation on my part. However, I can't seem to imagine his doing as effective a job of it by accident. He does have experience at playing a dictatorial chief executive, and a pre-existing friendship with Slick Willie. I really hope the GOP does some serious reconsideration of their primary procedures to reduce the possibility of another triumph by another populist manipulator in the future, for all our sakes. We could have done better in 2016 with some tweaks to the system. My personal pick would have been Rand Paul, but I think the best candidate for the party's chance to win in the fall without the trauma and drama would have been Paul Ryan. Erudite, good speaker, with experience in winning in a bi-partisan atmosphere. And a fellow bowhunter and actual family man. How funny. I had a similar thought today. How would a political party destroy the other? It is a long game and not sure it is possible.
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Post by jjas on Jan 15, 2021 19:36:11 GMT -5
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Post by Russ Koon on Jan 19, 2021 14:24:22 GMT -5
There have been several other times, and several when the Dems did as well.
Any analysis of the benefits or perils of the situation would have to start with the birth of the Republican Party and their first President, Abraham Lincoln. And probably would end up as controversially as modern politics. Some would point out that he was a liberal president, and that almost his entire time in office was during the Civil War, the bloodiest war in our history by far, and one that he is still regarded as having much responsibility for starting. I worked with guys when I got my first factory work in Indy who still called it the "War of Northern Aggression".
Controversy and division have always been there in governments, especially in the freest of governments, where the future course of the nation can be discussed, argued about, and decided by elected officials. And when it gets down to teaching our grandkids whether or not a war was "just" or "necessary" or "unavoidable".....well, the winners get to write the history books.
Good luck in your search for truth and clarity.
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