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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 18:02:20 GMT -5
fox59.com/news/crimetracker/peace-coalition-takes-action-on-violent-day-in-indianapolis/I`ve never seen nor heard such ignorance. Taxpayer monies are being handed out to these "coalitions", as if they serve any purpose or make any difference as far as making the city any safer. Absolutely maleficence that this mayor is wasting taxpayer monies like this. Liberals have scrubbed God completely from the public square, the traditional family, that being one man and one woman, both committed to the rearing of their children, raising them with a solid work ethic, a respect for proper authority, and with the understanding that they`re only "entitled" to what they earn, has been completely destroyed. and THAT is what is the obvious cause of the crime, disregard for human life, and the senseless slaughter of these goons roaming the streets. How in the world do we end this abusive spending and waste of taxpayer dollars? This is negligent, reckless and fraudulent.
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 8, 2020 21:32:53 GMT -5
It's the curse of democracy. The warnings have been there since the Greeks instituted the original democracy. Our country began as a republic, with democratically elected officials as representatives of the people, but with many positions held by appointed people. As long as the public was not in direct control of more than one branch of the three, things progressed well enough, but as the country grew larger we slipped into increasing trends toward making things more democratic, from increasing the voting base to include all male citizens instead of just the ones over the age of 21 who held property, to finally include women and teens, and now even convicted felons in most states.Tests to establish that the prospective voter had at least some basic knowledge of how a government operated were eliminated as being racist (and they were used to screen out the black vote in some areas). It all seemed to be the right thing to do, and probably was in terms of inclusion. However, the more democratic we became, the more susceptible the government became to the inherent perils of a democracy that were foretold by many through history. Foremost among them was that when the public in a democracy discovered that they had the key to the treasury they would soon bankrupt the nation.
That's pretty much how we, and most every other country, got to the place where we are today.
As to how we get out of this place and back into a place where we pay for stuff when we get it, individually and as a nation, I don't know.The few places that seem to have come back to fiscal responsibility appear to share a very traumatic and terrible history of lost wars and being governed by then foreign powers that defeated them, but they also appear to trend towards repeating their earlier mistakes and again descending into mob rule over their treasuries.
Maybe we can borrow our way out of it. But I doubt it.
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Post by greghopper on Aug 9, 2020 9:58:05 GMT -5
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Post by stevein on Aug 9, 2020 9:58:29 GMT -5
I think a strong third party or more would go a long way toward getting us out of this mess. Mess up the partisan Senate and House. Instead of having one party holding both or like now with Congress devided and pointing fingers at each other on the news the majority party would have to work with the other two. I am begining to believe that term limits would go a long to fix the problems. I would love to see the maryors and city/County councils held responsible for pulling the police back and abetting anarchy.
As far as good moral values go if they have to be taught in school you have lost them. Quit using sports and entertainment figures as heroes. The hero for kids should be the one they sit down to dinner with.
Whatever the solution is it will take time. I wonder if it will happen before my time is over.
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Post by Russ Koon on Aug 9, 2020 11:30:00 GMT -5
I agree, stevein, and that's the reason I joined the Libertarian Party last year. I'll likely still vote for the most conservative candidate on the Republican slate in many races, especially any that appear to be close ones, but I want to make a statement with my support of another option and a party with a platform of advocating smaller and less intrusive government, lower taxes, and less foreign military involvement. I do have a few issues where I disagree with the stance of the party, but the bulk of their platform and their reason for existence has been consistently in the direction of reduced government and more personal freedom. And that includes the strongest statement of any party in support of the Second Amendment.
I can't help wondering when I see a post or hear a comment wishing for another option to the two major parties, whether the person expressing that wish has just not noticed that we've had that option in most of our elections for several decades, or if there's some other overriding objection that keeps them from supporting the Libertarian Party.
Choosing the Libertarian candidate in a general election doesn't preclude anyone from choosing a major party candidate in another race, and even joining the party doesn't limit your choices in any manner. It simply supports the existence of the third party option. Will we ever become a truly viable option in enough elections to have a stronger influence on national policy? I don't know, but it sure won't happen unless more people take the time and effort to show support.
I don't know if it's our only hope, but it sure looks like it may be our best bet for a peaceful reversal of the policies of our current statist governments offered by the Republicrats and the Demicans.
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Post by jjas on Aug 9, 2020 11:35:17 GMT -5
I think a strong third party or more would go a long way toward getting us out of this mess. Mess up the partisan Senate and House. Instead of having one party holding both or like now with Congress devided and pointing fingers at each other on the news the majority party would have to work with the other two. I am begining to believe that term limits would go a long to fix the problems. I would love to see the maryors and city/County councils held responsible for pulling the police back and abetting anarchy. As far as good moral values go if they have to be taught in school you have lost them. Quit using sports and entertainment figures as heroes. The hero for kids should be the one they sit down to dinner with. Whatever the solution is it will take time. I wonder if it will happen before my time is over. Third parties have had a tough time gaining traction in the past and I don't know what would be different this time. As far as term limits go, I can't disagree. Unfortunately, we all know that those who sit in power aren't about to put themselves out of work. "We the people" could vote these people out, but we don't as we are either too lazy or too stupid to show these idiots the door during the primary or general elections. So in the end, we own a huge part of the blame for the mess we are in...
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Post by jbird on Aug 10, 2020 14:23:15 GMT -5
I see it this way....
How can these people represent us?
Most are born into wealthy families and never had a real job a day in their lives. They never went to public school or much less put their kids in public school. They live with armed protection at every turn. They have lied, cheated and committed other crimes that most of us would be in prison for. They have their own retirement fund....that must be nice. They have their own medical coverage....that must be nice too. They don't fix anything...they simply make more laws that we can't/don't enforce... They use our military as pawns yet they themselves have never served OR they protect their kids and the like that are in the service from seeing any real danger... They stuff their pockets with special interest money and big corporate money that they should be forced to wear jump suits with their top 10 donors logos on them like NASCAR does so at least we know who they really represent! And now they are trying to kill the "moderate"....they want to politicize EVERYTHING..."your with us or against us" sort of thing. And they certainly are not about telling the truth or letting the truth come out! Both sides are just as guilty...
When you have millionaires or even billionaires representing "the common man".....that is simply BS. You can't represent something you know nothing about. This great experiment of democracy is going to fail because of greed! "The common man" is simply a financial slave....and those at the top will do anything it takes to keep it that way!
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Post by jjas on Aug 10, 2020 14:32:46 GMT -5
I see it this way.... How can these people represent us? Most are born into wealthy families and never had a real job a day in their lives. They never went to public school or much less put their kids in public school. They live with armed protection at every turn. They have lied, cheated and committed other crimes that most of us would be in prison for. They have their own retirement fund....that must be nice. They have their own medical coverage....that must be nice too. They don't fix anything...they simply make more laws that we can't/don't enforce... They use our military as pawns yet they themselves have never served OR they protect their kids and the like that are in the service from seeing any real danger... They stuff their pockets with special interest money and big corporate money that they should be forced to wear jump suits with their top 10 donors logos on them like NASCAR does so at least we know who they really represent! And now they are trying to kill the "moderate"....they want to politicize EVERYTHING..."your with us or against us" sort of thing. And they certainly are not about telling the truth or letting the truth come out! Both sides are just as guilty... When you have millionaires or even billionaires representing "the common man".....that is simply BS. You can't represent something you know nothing about. This great experiment of democracy is going to fail because of greed! "The common man" is simply a financial slave....and those at the top will do anything it takes to keep it that way! Can't argue with a word you've written, but WE THE PEOPLE keep sending the same people back to Washington apparently expecting a different result. Whose fault is that?
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Post by stevein on Aug 10, 2020 14:33:14 GMT -5
I have been aware of the Libertarian party for some years. I have voted for their candidates several times either when the Republican candidate is pretty much a shoe in or when he disgusts me completely. I admit to knowing little or nothing about the Libertarian candidates. The party just does not have the resources to buy the ads that the other two do. The media is not going to do anything to make people aware of the Libertarian party either.
Each party realizes the value of seniority. I realize neither party and no member is going to vote term limits. Having Senators and Congressmen with seniority also benefits you and me in many ways mostly by the committees they serve on. It enables them to direct works projects to their constituents. Would Crane and the Air National Guard unit still be in Indiana?
I have always thought the primaries are important. This is where swamp draining and term limits can take place. But due to the benefits of seniority they seldom get replaced. I think term limits to a lot of people mean get rid of your representative I will keep mine.
I used to believe in the system. Not so much anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 14:46:46 GMT -5
I see it this way.... How can these people represent us? Most are born into wealthy families and never had a real job a day in their lives. They never went to public school or much less put their kids in public school. They live with armed protection at every turn. They have lied, cheated and committed other crimes that most of us would be in prison for. They have their own retirement fund....that must be nice. They have their own medical coverage....that must be nice too. They don't fix anything...they simply make more laws that we can't/don't enforce... They use our military as pawns yet they themselves have never served OR they protect their kids and the like that are in the service from seeing any real danger... They stuff their pockets with special interest money and big corporate money that they should be forced to wear jump suits with their top 10 donors logos on them like NASCAR does so at least we know who they really represent! And now they are trying to kill the "moderate"....they want to politicize EVERYTHING..."your with us or against us" sort of thing. And they certainly are not about telling the truth or letting the truth come out! Both sides are just as guilty... When you have millionaires or even billionaires representing "the common man".....that is simply BS. You can't represent something you know nothing about. This great experiment of democracy is going to fail because of greed! "The common man" is simply a financial slave....and those at the top will do anything it takes to keep it that way! You make a lot of assumptions, generalizations, and erroneous statements. The most over the top declaration though was that we don't need to choose sides, because it is the reality, with you're with us, or you are against the Republic.
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Post by jbird on Aug 11, 2020 17:03:05 GMT -5
I see it this way.... How can these people represent us? Most are born into wealthy families and never had a real job a day in their lives. They never went to public school or much less put their kids in public school. They live with armed protection at every turn. They have lied, cheated and committed other crimes that most of us would be in prison for. They have their own retirement fund....that must be nice. They have their own medical coverage....that must be nice too. They don't fix anything...they simply make more laws that we can't/don't enforce... They use our military as pawns yet they themselves have never served OR they protect their kids and the like that are in the service from seeing any real danger... They stuff their pockets with special interest money and big corporate money that they should be forced to wear jump suits with their top 10 donors logos on them like NASCAR does so at least we know who they really represent! And now they are trying to kill the "moderate"....they want to politicize EVERYTHING..."your with us or against us" sort of thing. And they certainly are not about telling the truth or letting the truth come out! Both sides are just as guilty... When you have millionaires or even billionaires representing "the common man".....that is simply BS. You can't represent something you know nothing about. This great experiment of democracy is going to fail because of greed! "The common man" is simply a financial slave....and those at the top will do anything it takes to keep it that way! You make a lot of assumptions, generalizations, and erroneous statements. The most over the top declaration though was that we don't need to choose sides, because it is the reality, with you're with us, or you are against the Republic. I will agree I painted with a pretty wide brush.....but you will have a hard time convincing me that I'm wrong. I'm not saying they ALL are this way....I'll bet 51% are. As far as choosing sides is concerned...my point is simply that they are more concerned about following party lines than they are about compromise and doing what is best for the majority. We got two spoiled brats fighting over the same blanket that is the fabric of this country and they would prefer to tear it apart than work to together to keep that fabric intact! I may lean more right than left, but I'm not going to blindly support Trump....blind faith is very dangerous.....especial when there are people involved. If I try to follow/support anything blindly....it's the constitution and the ideology of freedom and equality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 9:58:18 GMT -5
We have all been duke when it comes to age 21, blacks and women allowed to vote. At the beginning all property owners and it's family could vote. One thing I don't know was the age of the sibling. I think it was 13. Back then any race of color or sex of person could be a property owner. The spouse could vote and all aged siblings could vote. No stipulations of male or female or color. Guess who changed it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 7:04:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 17:14:26 GMT -5
True, Disney is a sick company.
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Post by moose1am on Aug 19, 2020 12:11:40 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with Disney. They are a great company!!!!!!!!
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