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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 9:46:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 16:19:32 GMT -5
Although it may seem to be contradictory, that a people must both, be compliant and unyielding at the same time, it really is not. You first have to understand and accept what truth is. Contrary to what liberals would like you to believe, there are not many truths. There just isn`t my truth, and your truth, and his or her truth. By it`s very nature, there can only be one truth. Everyone does not have to accept truth, and a great many people refuse to do that very thing, but trying to rename things, or ignore things doesn`t change them or make them go away. Truth comes only from and through the Holy, infallible Word of God. He is the Creator, He made us and everything, and only He says what truth is, what is true in nature, and what are lies, distortions, perversions and counterfeits.
Back to being both compliant and unyielding at the same time: We must be absolutely compliant to the Word, and the Commandments of God. Period. Being compliant brings blessing and all the good things we naturally desire. Being unyielding to God's` Commandments brings about the spiritual decay that we see today that is bringing America to it`s knees. We must also be compliant to the United States Constitution since it`s the law of the land, and as good, decent people, we are commanded to obey those whom the Lord has either placed, or allowed to be over us. The only exception to this biblical commandment to submit to our government is when or if, that government mandates us to go against God`s Will. Our Constitution is the frame of our Republic and government and when any politician goes contrary to that document, they are engaged in criminal activity, and we are not mandated to be compliant to that. We are mandated to comply with biblical commandments, as well as proper authority within our government, so long as they follow the law of the land and don`t mandate principles or activities that go against God`s Natural Laws. We are expected by the Lord to be unyielding to any mandates, governmental or otherwise, that try to coerce us to commit unbiblical or unethical mandates.
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Post by 36fan on Jul 6, 2020 9:35:59 GMT -5
"You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view" — Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 10:52:06 GMT -5
"You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view" — Obi-Wan Kenobi It's not a truth then. It's a opinion or a belief. Truths are based around proven facts. Like Obi-Wan Kenobi he confused what the definition of truth the body of real things, events, and facts : ACTUALITY (2): the state of being the case : FACT (3)often capitalized : a transcendent fundamental or spiritual reality b: a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true truths of thermodynamics c: the body of true statements and propositions 2a: the property (as of a statement) of being in accord with fact or reality bchiefly British : TRUE sense 2 c: fidelity to an original or to a standard In religion you need to put moral before truth. Moral Truth.
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Post by Russ Koon on Jul 6, 2020 10:54:56 GMT -5
Of course, all or very nearly all of us on here strongly favor doing the right thing.
The problem, as always, comes in the interpretation of just what constitutes the right thing to do.
Should we demonstrate our aversion to governmental overreach by defying the requirements to stay home and wear masks in public? That would make a statement for individual freedom, but it would also clearly favor aiding the virus in killing our fellow man. Wouldn't it be more right to side with people against the virus and do our part in stamping it out?
And should we continue to steal from the people who breed responsibly in order to subsidize those who think we should continue to race towards finding the absolute final limit to our overpopulation of the planet?
If the government and the religions agree on a course of action, does that make it the right thing to do?
I suspect the struggles will continue for a while yet.
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Post by 36fan on Jul 6, 2020 11:17:47 GMT -5
"Archaeology is the search for fact... not truth. If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall." - Dr. Henry "Indiana" Jones, Jr.
It seems George Lucas has his an opinion about "truth", which stems from the posted definition (3)b: a judgment, proposition, or idea that is true or accepted as true. (emphasis added)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 17:00:00 GMT -5
"You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view" — Obi-Wan Kenobi John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus said He is THE truth...We also know He was both God, and man, all at once. Jesus was also said to BE the very Word of God, and that makes sense because we know that God`s Holy Word IS truth. Anything viewed outside of the lens of Scripture makes it out of context, because the only thing that makes any sense, is everything viewed through Scripture. By definition, there can only be ONE Truth, not "my truth", and "your truth". To understand anything, it has to be viewed through the lens of Scripture. Period.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 6, 2020 18:20:31 GMT -5
"You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view" — Obi-Wan Kenobi John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus said He is THE truth...We also know He was both God, and man, all at once. Jesus was also said to BE the very Word of God, and that makes sense because we know that God`s Holy Word IS truth. Anything viewed outside of the lens of Scripture makes it out of context, because the only thing that makes any sense, is everything viewed through Scripture. By definition, there can only be ONE Truth, not "my truth", and "your truth". To understand anything, it has to be viewed through the lens of Scripture. Period. For the vast majority of time written word was classified into sections and prior to a religious section being created, the Bible was always placed in the Fiction section. Every single person has their own version of the truth. Those versions don't change facts, but reflect their view of the facts. These days, people's version of the truth seem to be heavily influenced by what people think are the facts or at least by what other's telling them the facts (or truth) is.
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Post by 36fan on Jul 6, 2020 19:12:21 GMT -5
"You will find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view" — Obi-Wan Kenobi John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus said He is THE truth...We also know He was both God, and man, all at once. Jesus was also said to BE the very Word of God, and that makes sense because we know that God`s Holy Word IS truth. Anything viewed outside of the lens of Scripture makes it out of context, because the only thing that makes any sense, is everything viewed through Scripture. By definition, there can only be ONE Truth, not "my truth", and "your truth". To understand anything, it has to be viewed through the lens of Scripture. Period. ...so if I am understanding what you are trying to say, nothing outside of scripture can be true or false?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 6:13:49 GMT -5
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Jesus said He is THE truth...We also know He was both God, and man, all at once. Jesus was also said to BE the very Word of God, and that makes sense because we know that God`s Holy Word IS truth. Anything viewed outside of the lens of Scripture makes it out of context, because the only thing that makes any sense, is everything viewed through Scripture. By definition, there can only be ONE Truth, not "my truth", and "your truth". To understand anything, it has to be viewed through the lens of Scripture. Period. ...so if I am understanding what you are trying to say, nothing outside of scripture can be true or false? No sir, what I`m saying is this: to view anything any other way than through the lense of Scripture, makes it`s context false. God`s Holy Word is inherently true, and is the only truth in the universe. When we try to discern anything any other way, except through the context of what Scripture says about the state of things, it`s a deluded and false context, and there just cannot be any true or meaningful understanding of it.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 7, 2020 7:50:46 GMT -5
...so if I am understanding what you are trying to say, nothing outside of scripture can be true or false? No sir, what I`m saying is this: to view anything any other way than through the lense of Scripture, makes it`s context false. God`s Holy Word is inherently true, and is the only truth in the universe. When we try to discern anything any other way, except through the context of what Scripture says about the state of things, it`s a deluded and false context, and there just cannot be any true or meaningful understanding of it. So, which scripture?
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Post by greghopper on Jul 7, 2020 7:51:57 GMT -5
No sir, what I`m saying is this: to view anything any other way than through the lense of Scripture, makes it`s context false. God`s Holy Word is inherently true, and is the only truth in the universe. When we try to discern anything any other way, except through the context of what Scripture says about the state of things, it`s a deluded and false context, and there just cannot be any true or meaningful understanding of it. So, which scripture? This.... ^^^^
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 18:07:17 GMT -5
No sir, what I`m saying is this: to view anything any other way than through the lense of Scripture, makes it`s context false. God`s Holy Word is inherently true, and is the only truth in the universe. When we try to discern anything any other way, except through the context of what Scripture says about the state of things, it`s a deluded and false context, and there just cannot be any true or meaningful understanding of it. So, which scripture? Uhhhh, ALL Scripture. If you view anything outside of the context of the Bible, you have a skewed perspective, and you`re doomed to fail. The Bible holds the answers to ALL of mankind's questions. If everyone lived their lives the way the Bible teaches people to live, there would be virtually zero war, famine, hate, covetousness, or any of the other ills that afflict the country and the world. Read the entire Book of Proverbs, it`s enlightening. Read the Ten Commandments, what a start on a great country and world if only people would not murder, not lie, not steal, not covet, not commit adultery, and honor their parents. The Bible teaches that those who are able to, but won`t work, shouldn`t eat. Hunger is a powerful motivator, that would solve a lot of issues. 2 Timothy 3 says: 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
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Post by firstwd on Jul 7, 2020 18:19:33 GMT -5
Uhhhh, ALL Scripture. If you view anything outside of the context of the Bible, you have a skewed perspective, and you`re doomed to fail. The Bible holds the answers to ALL of mankind's questions. If everyone lived their lives the way the Bible teaches people to live, there would be virtually zero war, famine, hate, covetousness, or any of the other ills that afflict the country and the world. Read the entire Book of Proverbs, it`s enlightening. Read the Ten Commandments, what a start on a great country and world if only people would not murder, not lie, not steal, not covet, not commit adultery, and honor their parents. The Bible teaches that those who are able to, but won`t work, shouldn`t eat. Hunger is a powerful motivator, that would solve a lot of issues. 2 Timothy 3 says: 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Which version is the right one? There are several English language ones that don't say the same thing. Other language ones also have different messages. Which part of the Bible? If you aren't Jewish then the old testament is just a history lesson. Everything in the new testament that isn't in red is just a humans story of events and we all know how accurate eye witness statements are. Doesn't the bible itself say that those who are not believers are won't be punished for disobedience of the word?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 6:00:52 GMT -5
Uhhhh, ALL Scripture. If you view anything outside of the context of the Bible, you have a skewed perspective, and you`re doomed to fail. The Bible holds the answers to ALL of mankind's questions. If everyone lived their lives the way the Bible teaches people to live, there would be virtually zero war, famine, hate, covetousness, or any of the other ills that afflict the country and the world. Read the entire Book of Proverbs, it`s enlightening. Read the Ten Commandments, what a start on a great country and world if only people would not murder, not lie, not steal, not covet, not commit adultery, and honor their parents. The Bible teaches that those who are able to, but won`t work, shouldn`t eat. Hunger is a powerful motivator, that would solve a lot of issues. 2 Timothy 3 says: 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Which version is the right one? There are several English language ones that don't say the same thing. Other language ones also have different messages. Which part of the Bible? If you aren't Jewish then the old testament is just a history lesson. Everything in the new testament that isn't in red is just a humans story of events and we all know how accurate eye witness statements are. Doesn't the bible itself say that those who are not believers are won't be punished for disobedience of the word? ALL of the Bible is the Word of God, written by men under the Inspiration of The Holy Spirit. It is infallible. What the Bible teaches from beginning to end, is the immeasurable love, mercy, and grace of an all loving Creator. He created mankind in His Image, but sin entered into the picture. In His perfect Holiness, He cannot tolerate sin, and so, we were separated from Him. But in His love and mercy, He created a way for his creation to be reconciled once again to Himself. Jesus Christ, both God, and man, was born to be the Lamb of God. He died on a cross so that any, and all who would believe on Him could escape the wrath to come, and have fellowship with God. God doesn`t send people to hell, sin and the rejection of His Son does that. God gave us a way to come back to Him, but we must choose to accept that way. Anyone, and everyone can be born again, it simply takes a choice to accept Jesus for who He said He is, then to become a Christian, (Christ-follower). Absolutely nothing matters ultimately besides where each of us will spend eternity, and there`s no middle ground. Either you`re with God, by accepting Jesus, or you`re an enemy of God, by rejecting His Son.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 6:35:18 GMT -5
Great work gregr. Praise the Lord. This is one of many scriptures why I will not wear a mask. It restricts me and congregation to Praise to the Lord. Hebrew 2:12 Saying, “I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.”
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Post by firstwd on Jul 8, 2020 6:49:42 GMT -5
Which version is the right one? There are several English language ones that don't say the same thing. Other language ones also have different messages. Which part of the Bible? If you aren't Jewish then the old testament is just a history lesson. Everything in the new testament that isn't in red is just a humans story of events and we all know how accurate eye witness statements are. Doesn't the bible itself say that those who are not believers are won't be punished for disobedience of the word? ALL of the Bible is the Word of God, written by men under the Inspiration of The Holy Spirit. It is infallible. What the Bible teaches from beginning to end, is the immeasurable love, mercy, and grace of an all loving Creator. He created mankind in His Image, but sin entered into the picture. In His perfect Holiness, He cannot tolerate sin, and so, we were separated from Him. But in His love and mercy, He created a way for his creation to be reconciled once again to Himself. Jesus Christ, both God, and man, was born to be the Lamb of God. He died on a cross so that any, and all who would believe on Him could escape the wrath to come, and have fellowship with God. God doesn`t send people to hell, sin and the rejection of His Son does that. God gave us a way to come back to Him, but we must choose to accept that way. Anyone, and everyone can be born again, it simply takes a choice to accept Jesus for who He said He is, then to become a Christian, (Christ-follower). Absolutely nothing matters ultimately besides where each of us will spend eternity, and there`s no middle ground. Either you`re with God, by accepting Jesus, or you`re an enemy of God, by rejecting His Son. Okay, so you are saying that every "Bible" across the world is as equally right as any other.
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Post by greghopper on Jul 8, 2020 6:51:21 GMT -5
Great work gregr. Praise the Lord. This is one of many scriptures why I will not wear a mask. It restricts me and congregation to Praise to the Lord. Hebrew 2:12 Saying, “I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.” Mask are for protection of OTHERS not just you! How selfish can one person be... SMH
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Post by freedomhunter on Jul 8, 2020 7:00:48 GMT -5
Great work gregr. Praise the Lord. This is one of many scriptures why I will not wear a mask. It restricts me and congregation to Praise to the Lord. Hebrew 2:12 Saying, “I will tell of your name to my brothers; in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.” Right on, Wayne. Let the sheep wear their masks.
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Post by greghopper on Jul 8, 2020 7:22:28 GMT -5
Birds of the feather fly together I guess 🙄
No way would I refuse to wear a mask when required in many places!
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