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Post by moose1am on Jun 1, 2020 11:28:02 GMT -5
I honestly have no idea why the water cannons haven't shown up yet. Unless they were deemed cruel and taken out of service at some point. \ Agreed… The LEOs are being too easy on them. BUT... I did see where two cops got fired immediately because they tased some non compliants. Thats wrong. This is not going to help race relations when all of America is seeing this looting and burning going on. Nothing says "justice" like stealing big screen TVs.. The rioters even put a torch to an old church in DC across from the WH. No shame at all... I don't think Trump can send in the military unless the governor or mayor asks for them.. Sad world we live in right now, but I keep telling myself God is in control and it will work out. . They Mayor and the Police Chief and or Police Commissioners should get out in the front lines and see if they can do any better. They are handicapping the police and not allowing them to do their job due to this pollical correctness. This soft approach is why these riots went nation wide. If the Governor of Minnesota had called out the entire State National Guard and put the riots down right away the other cities would not have had any riots. People saw that the rioters got by and didn't get punished so they were emboldened in other cities and and riots just increased in scope. The people are restless and this is not just about George Floyd. It's about a whole lot more than just one man.
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Post by greghopper on Jun 1, 2020 17:53:48 GMT -5
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS HE IS MOBILIZING ALL AVAILABLE FEDERAL RESOURCES, CIVILIAN AND MILITARY, TO STOP THE RIOTING AND LOOTING
In the Rose Garden, Trump says he is an “ally of all peaceful protestors” as the world watched peaceful protestors being tear gassed outside of the WH gates.
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Post by moose1am on Jun 2, 2020 9:59:15 GMT -5
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS HE IS MOBILIZING ALL AVAILABLE FEDERAL RESOURCES, CIVILIAN AND MILITARY, TO STOP THE RIOTING AND LOOTING In the Rose Garden, Trump says he is an “ally of all peaceful protestors” as the world watched peaceful protestors being tear gassed outside of the WH gates. You are so right. All for an photo op with a Bible that he never opened or read from during the photo op in front of a closed church who pastor complained about what Trump did in front of his church. Since DC is not a state and does not have a Governor and the Park in front of the White House is Federal Property Trump was able to get the Military Police there to help the Secrete Service and Park Service police. Dispersing the crowd who was peaceful before the curfew went into effect as not in line with the 1st amendment. The right of the people to assemble peacefully and petition the government for relief. Well Trump and Barr ordered the attack on peaceful citizens and that was wrong. Now if they are rioting then I say shoot the ones that are breaking the law and put down the riot. There is a thin line in the law here. I see the frustration as the rioters hide among the peaceful protesters and strike and destroy property when the police are distracted elsewhere. I see that frustration. Trump and Barr should have waited until the curfew went into effect 30 minutes later. But is it legal to install a curfew when the constitution gives the citizens the right to gather peacefully and protest? That is something for the courts to decide and may have already been ruled on. Here in Evansville, IN we have a few people who got on Facebook and tried to incite a riot at one of our local Walmarts. They were on Facebook live plotting the riot at the Walmart when they were plotting the riot. When they entered the store the police were waiting to arrest them. One woman was from Florida and two men were from Evansville, IN. All three are in jail now waiting to see a judge. ha ha.
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 2, 2020 11:12:41 GMT -5
PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS HE IS MOBILIZING ALL AVAILABLE FEDERAL RESOURCES, CIVILIAN AND MILITARY, TO STOP THE RIOTING AND LOOTING In the Rose Garden, Trump says he is an “ally of all peaceful protestors” as the world watched peaceful protestors being tear gassed outside of the WH gates. You are so right. All for an photo op with a Bible that he never opened or read from during the photo op in front of a closed church who pastor complained about what Trump did in front of his church. Since DC is not a state and does not have a Governor and the Park in front of the White House is Federal Property Trump was able to get the Military Police there to help the Secrete Service and Park Service police. Dispersing the crowd who was peaceful before the curfew went into effect as not in line with the 1st amendment. The right of the people to assemble peacefully and petition the government for relief. Well Trump and Barr ordered the attack on peaceful citizens and that was wrong. Now if they are rioting then I say shoot the ones that are breaking the law and put down the riot. There is a thin line in the law here. I see the frustration as the rioters hide among the peaceful protesters and strike and destroy property when the police are distracted elsewhere. I see that frustration. Trump and Barr should have waited until the curfew went into effect 30 minutes later. But is it legal to install a curfew when the constitution gives the citizens the right to gather peacefully and protest? That is something for the courts to decide and may have already been ruled on. Here in Evansville, IN we have a few people who got on Facebook and tried to incite a riot at one of our local Walmarts. They were on Facebook live plotting the riot at the Walmart when they were plotting the riot. When they entered the store the police were waiting to arrest them. One woman was from Florida and two men were from Evansville, IN. All three are in jail now waiting to see a judge. ha ha. "Peaceful protestors"? Be sure of your source.. www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-protesters-trump-church-visit..
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Post by moose1am on Jun 2, 2020 11:41:36 GMT -5
You are so right. All for an photo op with a Bible that he never opened or read from during the photo op in front of a closed church who pastor complained about what Trump did in front of his church. Since DC is not a state and does not have a Governor and the Park in front of the White House is Federal Property Trump was able to get the Military Police there to help the Secrete Service and Park Service police. Dispersing the crowd who was peaceful before the curfew went into effect as not in line with the 1st amendment. The right of the people to assemble peacefully and petition the government for relief. Well Trump and Barr ordered the attack on peaceful citizens and that was wrong. Now if they are rioting then I say shoot the ones that are breaking the law and put down the riot. There is a thin line in the law here. I see the frustration as the rioters hide among the peaceful protesters and strike and destroy property when the police are distracted elsewhere. I see that frustration. Trump and Barr should have waited until the curfew went into effect 30 minutes later. But is it legal to install a curfew when the constitution gives the citizens the right to gather peacefully and protest? That is something for the courts to decide and may have already been ruled on. Here in Evansville, IN we have a few people who got on Facebook and tried to incite a riot at one of our local Walmarts. They were on Facebook live plotting the riot at the Walmart when they were plotting the riot. When they entered the store the police were waiting to arrest them. One woman was from Florida and two men were from Evansville, IN. All three are in jail now waiting to see a judge. ha ha. "Peaceful protestors"? Be sure of your source.. www.foxnews.com/politics/dc-protesters-trump-church-visitI was watching the protest live and from an elevated position where I could see what was happening. I had a birds eye view of the entire crowd of protestors who were not doing anything to the police other than standing together and shouting. They were not rioting at the time the police were ordered to suddenly charge into the crowd, shooting tear gas at the crowd and rubber bullets as well as flash bangs. Then the President, Jared and Barr all were escorted out of the White House grounds to the church that has been set on fire the day before. The police attacked 30 minutes before the Mayor of DC's curfew went into effect. I stand by what I said and my source. Both MSNBC and CNN were on site and had perfect camera positions to show what happened. I'm sure of my sources. ..
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Post by Woody Williams on Jun 2, 2020 12:44:23 GMT -5
Sorry ..
But CNN, msnbc , pbr , nyt and pbs are not high on my list of reputable sources..
The Park Police said bottles were thrown at them and I believe it. There have been multitudes of officers injured by thrown objects
Throw bottles get run over by the police.
End of story ..
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Post by medic22 on Jun 2, 2020 13:12:28 GMT -5
Funny. Trump stayed within his boundaries (mostly) during the C word and he handled it miserably. Now Trump wants to get involved with riots and he is handling it miserably or so says the media and liberal governors. I'm not Trump fan but the irony is not lost.
And for the sake of clarity, this is a States issue and I do believe federal involvement is over reach of authority.
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Post by freedomhunter on Jun 2, 2020 13:38:14 GMT -5
Trump cant do anything right, but he is responsible for American citizens if they are not being protected from harm. He has no blame in this, tried to let states do the right thing, again and failure in mostly Democrat states and cities. So military if needed. Once a few of them get double tapped the violence should subside substantially
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Post by greghopper on Jun 2, 2020 17:32:59 GMT -5
Funny. Trump stayed within his boundaries (mostly) during the C word and he handled it miserably. Now Trump wants to get involved with riots and he is handling it miserably or so says the media and liberal governors. I'm not Trump fan but the irony is not lost. And for the sake of clarity, this is a States issue and I do believe federal involvement is over reach of authority. Trump handling of the Virus was good and maybe Great..... anyone doubting him now is nothing more then Monday morning Quarterbacking! SMH
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Post by medic22 on Jun 2, 2020 17:44:26 GMT -5
Funny. Trump stayed within his boundaries (mostly) during the C word and he handled it miserably. Now Trump wants to get involved with riots and he is handling it miserably or so says the media and liberal governors. I'm not Trump fan but the irony is not lost. And for the sake of clarity, this is a States issue and I do believe federal involvement is over reach of authority. Trump handling of the Virus was good and maybe Great..... anyone doubting him now is nothing more then Monday morning Quarterbacking! SMH I realize my post could read wrong. I do not think Trump handled that miserably, I think he actually did a great job. Those that think he did a terrible job do not realize that Trump had very little authority on how states reacted beyond making recomendations.
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Post by treetop on Jun 2, 2020 17:57:14 GMT -5
Sorry .. But CNN, msnbc , pbr , nyt and pbs are not high on my list of reputable sources.. The Park Police said bottles were thrown at them and I believe it. There have been multitudes of officers injured by thrown objects Throw bottles get run over by the police. End of story .. 100 percent I was watching our local news feed live Friday night the cops backed up three times and ask more than ten times to back away and disperse before they let the tear gas go you could see something being thrown at them I’d say water bottles but I don’t know Then they tried to throw the tear gas back at them also And now they claim they were gased for no reason and were miss treaded All I can say is they handled a lot better than I would of cause you come at me like that the safety is going to off Like he said end of story I 100 percent agree the cop should be charged and IMHO the other three should be charged I know there’s a code but come on at some point in time they had to know he crossed the line
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Post by boman on Jun 2, 2020 19:05:22 GMT -5
This is deja vue for me. 1968 all over again. I was 19 in September of that year. Martin Luther King, probably the bravest man(civilian) I've seen in my lifetime, was assassinated(as well as Bobby Kennedy,(listened to him speak at Purdue that spring when I was a freshman)and this country literally blew up. Only difference is no Viet Nam War. It's just not blue states or red states so don't buy into that---political rhetoric. And don't buy into the antifa, out of town rhetoric---also a typical ploy by politicians to deflect blame for their poor indecisive leadership.
For those of you defending the police, let me point out that although things have come a long way, there are still bad cops and dumb cops(I am generally for LE but won't completely trust them ever) and a bad cop is still pretty hard to get rid of. we're here right now because of a bad cop pushing the frustration in this country beyond the tipping point. I was back downtown Sunday night to see how the curfew(what a PITA---we were just opening up from the virus and now everything county wide closes at the designated hour)was going to be put into effect. I social distanced (on my trek bike to be fast enough and far enough to avoid gas-LOL)and sure enough watched extreme tear gas deployment on two groups(both multiracial) of peaceful demonstrators---one group at approximately 6:30 at New York and Penn and another group in front of the statehouse at 7:30. Curfew was set for 8. So what happened??? We also have some cops who appear to be under review for excessive force enforcing the curfew(which,by the way, has no force of law as our prosecutor is on record he will not prosecute curfew violations. Hopefully things will calm down here and last night gave me a little hope. demonstrators ended up in front of the govenors house just south of me and with the help of an assistant mayor as negotiator,(Our pos regular mayor is hiding out)both sides agreed that neither really wanted to be the first to pick the fight and all ended with hugs and handshakes. One more thing--- It's just not blue states or red states so don't buy into that---political rhetoric. And don't buy into the antifa, out of town rhetoric---also a typical ploy by politicians to deflect blame for their poor indecisive leadership.
Steve
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